PITCH BEND - Nudge

[djMele]

The way T2's Pitch Bend works seems to be different than most that I have seen.

Consider this: Since keeping the +/- Bend button depressed causes the pitch to progressively change, is this really a bending effect ? Other bend buttons I've used allow you to preset in program settings, the amount of bend you like to use. Then, pressing the bend immediately changes the pitch by your preset amount and immediately back to pitch slider position upon release. The current T2 implementation does not seem to allow you to acheive both Bending and Nudging within a single function.

[emch_Tf]

Hmmm. Good point. I actually programmed my midi modulation wheel to deck wind, which seems to be the same thing as pitch bend. Why do you think it has a different name?

[djMele]

So actually emch, the Deck Wind would be closer to the Nudge function, but if the Bend were implemented as I think it should, you can acheive both Bend and Nudge in the same function without the added chipmunk sound from Deck Winding

[djMele]

I would like to see more comments on this issue. Are emch and I the only ones who see this issue ?

I created a suggestion thread to NI. But nobody answers. Does NI review the suggestion thread ? Wouldn't it be really great if someone from NI could just respond to each suggestion, even with a template answer like "Will implement in upcoming release " / "Out of the question" / "We will consider this" / "Too much effort to implement" / "Not enough demand for this feature" ..........

[Dj Hobbes]

I have been told that right now, the only thing that NI is going to focus on for now, is to take care of the bugs and get everything more stable. Any additional features will be implemented afterwards. Mele, to answer your question, yes, I do read these posts, but most of the time when I do not reply, it is because I either don't have an answer and am waiting for a response from NI as to the question at hand, or in some instances, I wait for another user to possibly post an answer to questions that they may have the answer to and I don't. I don't want you to get the wrong idea about us moderators, as I spend upwards of about 2 hours per night just reading these posts, and thats without getting paid. You also cannot say that we do not respond as I did reply to your e-mail.

Hobbes

[djMele]

....and right you are Hobbes and I understand you certainly do not represent NI. I also appreciate your responses for sure. I think you do a good job as a moderator.

My suggestion was for other users to respond to this issue because I am wondering if emch and I are the only ones who see this issue.

Although this may not be a show-stopper bug, it does seem like this relates to basic implementation that could really boost functionality.

I am going to do a graph as soon as I get time that shows mathematically how this function would be improved.

[Dj Hobbes]

Any suggestions that you have will be looked over. The more detailed you can be, the better! Thank you.

Hobbes

[HippoBinPowder]

Originally posted by djMele The way T2's Pitch Bend works seems to be different than most that I have seen. Consider this: Since keeping the +/- Bend button depressed causes the pitch to progressively change, is this really a bending effect ?

Of course. It simulates using ur hand to speed up/slow down a record. I much prefer this method over certain other software that doesn't progressively increase the amount of bend the longer you hold the button.

[djMele]

@HippoBinPowder
Interesting.... so when U spin on vinyl tables you keep speeding up the platter to make the beats catch up and when U want to make the cued record wait for the other, you keep pressing your finger against the platter harder and harder ? I think this happens by virtue of the fact that we can't steady our finger pressure or hand rotation to an exact value as humans. We do accomplish the task but not scientifically, more by feel.

The problem in my view is that if you assume that the pitch of both tracks are matched, the objective of Bending is to bring the two beats together in time... lets call this the "lock point".
Once the lock point is reached, the objective immediately becomes that the two tracks should now continue at the same pitch. Well, if the bend function is still changing the pitch value, you will overshoot (or undershoot as the case may be) the "lock point" and have to work to come back to it by releasing the Bend button and maybe hitting it a few more times.

Its been a long time since my days of calculus in college but I'm sure this can be shown mathematically..... or was that Fourier Transforms.... hmmm can't remember.

In any event, it makes logical sense to me that the digital domain has to depend on some degree of logic. It is also my experience.... I've tried both methods and I can reach the lock point a lot quicker with a Bend control that is constant than one that is progressive.

[Eli_Tf]

I'm with DjMele .