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boysteve · #16 07-04-2006, 23:33

Of course you meant the Behringer BFD software.

djgeo · #17 08-04-2006, 06:21

I'm surprised that for how long the hercules consoles have been floating about, no one has solved this traktor wheel pitch issue, this was the wall I hit when for the past week I bought a hercules to try out... http://www.nativeinstruments.de/foru...ad.php?t=34431

Seems like what jmug said:

Try the following setting:

Go to Preferences-->Midi Set Up--> Add->Deck->Transport->Deck Jump Beats Fine.
Midi Control Type-> Rotatory Encoder(64). Then adjust the sensitivity and Acceleration at your own feeling. I have 3% sensitivity 2% acceleration. Assig it to your rotatory/jog wheel.

This control works great because you can nudge tracks without changing the pitch, and it's much more precise than Pitch Bending.

Maybe you know already, I didn't see it in the forum and I think people should know, for me one of the most powerful features of version 3!

is the way to use version 3 since you have that "rotary encoder" function'

How is the B-DJ program anyway?? D-)

PhilL · #18 08-04-2006, 07:21

Rapture you are too kind. I'll be blunt its not good DJ software... nuff said

OK on to programming issues. I've loaded Midi Translator Midi Yoke and have control with the pitch wheels..... sort of... On one combination I've found so really works as it should. There is lots to learn and so many combinations to try this could take weeks but at least its progress, although part of me is now thinking send it back.

EDIT:
[SIZE=4]OK I GOTS IT I GOTS IT!!!!! AND IT IS TOTALLY TOTALLY SWEET!!!![/SIZE]

Actually JMUGU got it I just finally remembered he mentioned this yesterday and it works AWESOME!

Here is the current solution I'm running.
Running Traktor 3.0 (but it should work fine for 2.6 and earlier using similar commands)
I have Bomes Midi Translator installed and Midi Yoke.
I hooked the BCD Midi interface to Midi Translators Midi In, I then feed the Midi out from Midi Translator into Midi Yoke and hooked Traktor to Midi Yoke.

You can get Bomes Midi Translator here
http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/

and you can get Midi Yoke Here
http://www.midiox.com/zip/myokent.exe

I setup two Translators in Midi Translator for each deck

Deck A - Incoming - Midi Message - B0 13 40 Outgoing - Midi Message - B0 13 01
Deck A - Incoming - Midi Message - B0 13 41 Outgoing - Midi Message - B0 13 7F

Deck B - Incoming - Midi Message - B0 12 40 Outgoing - Midi Message - B0 12 01
Deck B - Incoming - Midi Message - B0 12 41 Outgoing - Midi Message - B0 12 7F

In Traktor I followed JMugus advice and set the Midi mappings to 'Deck Jump Beats Fine The message breaks down like this

B0 = Control Change (CC) = Message Type
13 = Control number in hex = CC19 (on Channel 1)
40 = Value in hex = 64 decimal

You'll notice the output value is translated from 64 to 01 and 65 to 127.

In Traktor I set the Control type to 'Direct', The Midi Control to 'Rotary Encoder 64', Invert is unchecked, Rotary sensitivity 2% and Rotary Acceleration = 0 or 1%

This configuration is still be tested but seems to work REALLY well I have to integrate it with Gibus TKS file so I have all the controls working.

If you have a BCD2000 Give this a whirl and let us know if you find a simpler solution.

Once agian many thanks JMugu this was totally driving me batshit tonight!

Phil

dj groovke · #19 08-04-2006, 13:38

damm if i read all this :s

i got to go to the store and get my bcd2000 today, i already payed an advance months ago so i cant cancel it unless loosing half of the money...

i read that you guys have sollution..
dont know allot about midi, just can hook up my midikeyboard and thats it :s i know you already said what you did in your last post but i dont understand everything and i realy need to get it configured soon since we where planning to play for the first time on 22 april on a party...

This configuration is still be tested but seems to work REALLY well I have to integrate it with Gibus TKS file so I have all the controls working.

is that TKS file available somewhere?

plz be nice and help a fellow dj out

Thnx in advance

RoyS · #20 08-04-2006, 15:06

Hi All

I've got to the point of downloading and setting up Midi Yoke and Midi Translator and entered the translators as you suggest - This all seems to working fine but I can't see how to setup Traktor 2.6... I'm looking in the MIDI section of the Setup screen. Can you please add some clarity to your line and following:
"In Traktor I followed JMugus advise and set the Midi mappings to 'Deck Jump Beats Fine The message breaks down like this"

Many thanks...

boysteve · #21 08-04-2006, 23:40

So if I want to use the BCD2000, all I really need is a degree from MIT. Great; I'll get right on it.

Redscarab_Tf · #22 08-04-2006, 23:52

Hey Phil, Thanks so much for fixing the bcd2000. there's no way most people on here could do it. I just got the BCD on friday and hit a wall. Can you upload your preset for the Bomes Midi Translator or email it to me at cheapname AT hotmail.com Also, how do i connect the translator to midi yoke? If you also want to email me the Gibus TKS file i wouldn't be mad at ya.... thanks in advance!!!!!!!

Nativo · #23 09-04-2006, 00:13

Hey Phil, i understand almost 25% of what you've been talking about, (don' know too much about midi) if i understood something, you were saying that jog wheels weren't doing the job but now the problem is solved... just want to know, is this controller fully assignable? I thought when i saw the Behringer's page, that only the effect section in the controller was assignable to traktor functions, and the rest of it will manipulate audio (from cd players, turntables, etc.)

Also, i want to confirm something: It doesn't run on Mac, rigth?

Thanks.

PhilL · #24 09-04-2006, 00:20

boysteve wrote:

So if I want to use the BCD2000, all I really need is a degree from MIT. Great; I'll get right on it.

I got an extra one in my Kornflakes box this week if ya want it?

Actually its really not to hard to setup... Granted you should not have to do this and the pitch Wheels should output 0 and 127 by default or there should be mechanism to do a SYSEX dump to the box to get this working. I'm gonna play around next week to see if I can pull down a SYSEX dump off it, it might just be possible to edit the dump and write the new parms out so that you don't need any translation at all. I need to get in touch with TomD to see if he has some words of wisdom like don't or heres how ya do it on a BCR2000.

This is really no worse than the process many people went or still go through with the DM2 (BTW if you want a DM2 Free and will pay shipping you can have my one complete with original software CD and Traktor drivers) Its dong nothing here.

Steve, a tip from the now wisened ones to you on the jog wheel control for Kombine. Make the jog wheels parameter values configurable!
That way people can really tweak sensitivity settings to suit themselves.

Phil

PhilL · #25 09-04-2006, 00:31

OK based on the several requests I had, here are the Config settings for Midi Translator and for Traktor.

They are totally gutted except for the stuff to run the pitch wheels so you can easily see exactly what was done. It ain't rocket science ans it turned so no degree from MIT is required ;-)

BTW, changing the Pitch Wheel outgoing messages in MIDI Translator to
BF 13 01 for Deck A wind back
BF 13 127 for Deck A wind forward
BF 12 01 for Deck B wind back
BF 12 127 for Deck B wind forward

Will change the channel the messages are created Out from Midi Translator from Channel 1 to Channel 16. That way the pitch wheels won't interfere with standard BCD Midi signals and you can use both the Midi Yoke and the BCD inputs in Traktor.

Since Midi Translator only processes messages it has translators for, the only messages it sends to Midi Yoke and then to Traktor are the 4, I have programmed in Midi Translator and these are now being sent to Traktor on Channel 16.

In Traktor, for Midi devices, I enabled MIDI Yoke NT: 1 and BCD2000.

In Traktor setup, When I programmed the commands for Deck Jump Beats Fine, I selected Channel 16 and used learn. It found the messages on Ch 16 and it showed CC19 (ch16) in the learned control. For the rest of the BCD controls I get the info from Channel 1 and 2 direct from the BCD2000.

I've added updated settings files to the message to make this easier to see.

PhilL · #26 09-04-2006, 01:08

Nativo wrote:

Hey Phil, i understand almost 25% of what you've been talking about, (don' know too much about midi) if i understood something, you were saying that jog wheels weren't doing the job but now the problem is solved... just want to know, is this controller fully assignable? I thought when i saw the Behringer's page, that only the effect section in the controller was assignable to traktor functions, and the rest of it will manipulate audio (from cd players, turntables, etc.)

Also, i want to confirm something: It doesn't run on Mac, rigth?

Thanks.

Yeah its not fully assignable at least that we know of. If it was then the pitch wheels would not be problems.
Well the DJ software (which is not good stuff at all) is PC only and there are no drivers on the CD so I expect you'll find it not gonna fly on a MAC but if anyone is running it on a MAC please lets hear it!

Phil

boysteve · #27 09-04-2006, 01:11

Steve, a tip from the now wisened ones to you on the jog wheel control for Kombine. Make the jog wheels parameter values configurable! That way people can really tweak sensitivity settings to suit themselves.

Forwarded to Adrian, & thanks!

Redscarab_Tf · #28 09-04-2006, 01:24

Phil, does Bomes translator preset and midiyoke solution work for Traktor 2.6? Can i do the following in 2.6?

In Traktor I followed JMugus advice and set the Midi mappings to 'Deck Jump Beats Fine The message breaks down like this

B0 = Control Change (CC) = Message Type
13 = Control number in hex = CC19 (on Channel 1)
40 = Value in hex = 64 decimal

You'll notice the output value is translated from 64 to 01 and 65 to 127.

In Traktor I set the Control type to 'Direct', The Midi Control to 'Rotary Encoder 64', Invert is unchecked, Rotary sensitivity 2% and Rotary Acceleration = 0 or 1%

Makkelijk · #29 09-04-2006, 01:41

thank's man, your file made midi translator crash but the explanaition above was very clear to me.. you really helped me out here. Got in the mixer today and was really pissed of about the way midi works with the jog wheel.. now it works like sunshine!

And yes this WILL work for traktor 2.6 as well, it will basicly work for every program with a learn function because it just makes the pitch wheel usefull...

bye the way i assigned it to both jump beats fine as well as to scratch, with scratch on button assigned as well you can also scratch with it.. though scratching isnt really great with a wheel like this and i'm afraid i will break it with it

PhilL · #30 09-04-2006, 01:56

Soemthing spektakilar for ya using the BCD....

Add Midi Command: Deck Tempo | Deck Phase Sync, assign the channel 1 Pitch wheel then wind forward 3 or 4 turns.... Poof!!!! Traktor gets all krinkly and either gives you a crash dump or just vaporizes. Not good... don't do this

Phil