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Massive Presets not loading with Maschine project

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by aporia, May 14, 2012.

  1. aporia

    aporia Forum Member

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    I've read this forms for quite a while and have gleaned much from them. This is my first real post (and, how surprising, I'm in desperate need of support):

    Normally when I do anything in massive as a (VST inside maschine) and save it as a preset, the maschine project seems to embed the saved preset, so its there everytime I load the project. This is intuitive and worked great for me.


    until now.

    I was moving my massive patches around, and accidentally ended up deactiving massive in the plugin-ins manager in maschine.


    when i reloaded it as a plugin, none of my maschine project files could find any of my massive presets. all other VST/AU plugins would load normally.

    But with massive, I could find the presets I had used in the bank library, but they would not load by default when opening the maschine project. I'm seeing an "untitled sound" for all instances of massive in all of my projects. I've tried dialing in all the presets (again) and saving as a new filename, but to no avail. Everytime I reload any of these files, massive defaults to 'untitled sound'! grrrr

    (Strantely, this feature works if I make a new sound in a new project, insert a massive synth, save it and reload it, but it won't work with any of my existing projects).


    I hoped into time machine on my mac and grabbed the .mprj files from two days ago (before I noticed the problem)... when I open these files, the massive presets load correctly, even though the .nmsv patches are in a new location from where they were in that version of the file. So I guess the file path of the VST preset doesn't matter? As long as you have something in your library with the same name? I still can't explain what caused this and why I can't save newly dialed in presets in my own projects.

    I'm totally boggled - and what's worse I have no idea what happened and no reason not to expect it to happen again.

    I looked inside the .mprj files to see if something was amiss, and it first looked to be XML, but the metadata for Massive is all encoded and impossible to read.

    Does anyone know how this feature (VST presets being stored inside maschine) really works, or have any info on what may have caused the problem?

    I've been doing work on tunes for the past while and would prefer not to replace the my current .mprjs with old ones from TM, but I'll have to if I can't get the VST presets to save inside maschine again.

    Happy to upload one of the projects if anyone knows how to read those files without maschine...

    until then, I'm just clueless and frustrated. Has anyone encountered this before in Massive or any other VST? (I'm not sure if I'm running massive as VST or AU, both are enabled in the manager and maybe this has something to do with the problem?)


    cheers,



    -AK
  2. sowari

    sowari Moderator

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    have you tried re-installing massive 1.3 - remembering to run it Standalone Mode first - and also reinstalling Maschine 1.7.2?

    you will also need to rescan your VST and AU plugins, to make sure Massive is seen.

    if that doesn't work, you should contact tech support.

    sowari
  3. aporia

    aporia Forum Member

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    sowari,

    thanks for the response. I've tried re-installing massive 1.3 several times to no avail.

    I'm a little worried about re-installing maschine... for some reason, but I don't have a good reason.


    Maschine runs a scan for new plugins on startup. Doesn't that suffice? Or does the manual scan in preferences do something different?


    what's weird is how it seems to be the .mprj files which are affected - NOT massive. Like I said, the old .mprj's from time maschine load fine (with the presets), but the current ones on my maschine will not hold the presets, even after manually changing and then re-saving. I haven't tried moving the sounds to different pads and then resaving. I'm going to try that when I get home.


    Is the preset metadata from massive actually stored in the .mprj, or is it just telling it to look in a location to find the preset?

    Like - in theory - could I delete my massive preset library and still have massive load those settings when its bunded in a .mprj?


    -AK




    -AK
  4. sowari

    sowari Moderator

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    btw, you can turn off rescan plugins every time you open Maschine.

    i would get in touch with tech support.

    sowari
  5. aporia

    aporia Forum Member

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    update :(

    really? No one has had this problem?

    What's weird now is that anytime I create a new project, load a massive preset inside a group, save the project, and the reload it (by opening it again while its open) the massive preset keeps defaulting to "untitled sound" rather than the preset I previously selected. grrrr.... in this state massive is completely unusable inside maschine.

    it's weird this is only happening with massive. No other plugins seem to be affected.

    help!
    ---
    (I made a video that demonstrates exactly what I'm talking about... and is perhaps easier to follow... at this point I'd be happy to just solve this issue, not worry about the old MPRJ files)

    http://youtu.be/Vf5QteWwhkk
  6. sowari

    sowari Moderator

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    the problem must be with Massive.

    i would suggest you need to look at Massive's Preferences and check that the pathway
    to your User Library is correct and i would also suggest you rebuild the data base.

    if that does not work, you need to get in touch with tech support.

    sowari
  7. aporia

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    yea i left a post in technical issues... haven't gotten a response there.

    thanks for at least addressing this sowari.

    I just ordered a new laptop for music, so I'm going to set that one up from scratch and hope it works :\
  8. sowari

    sowari Moderator

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    did you try checking the Massive preferences and resetting the data base?

    sowari
  9. aporia

    aporia Forum Member

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    if by reset, you mean rebuild, the answer is yes - many times!

    I've tried rebuilding in stand-alone and as a VST.
  10. b-righteous

    b-righteous Moderator

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    When you open Massive in Maschine, what version shows when you click the NI icon at the top?

    Are the Massive presets you are loading in the older .ksd format?(Pre 1.3)
  11. aporia

    aporia Forum Member

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    Nope.. using the right version.


    I just started from scratch.... oh well.. time machine is working now
  12. sowari

    sowari Moderator

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    please use the VST version of Massive - rather than the AU version, and see if that helps in the future.

    sowari
  13. aporia

    aporia Forum Member

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    Yea.... that's the plan
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