1.7 Big disappointment!

Thanks, love it when this works as a community.

Hiphopblues

 

it is really quick:

load Kontakt Player, Drag n Drop a Sample into the Player window. choose Time Machine Pro and Whole Note. draw a note in Maschine for the length of the Sample, check that it plays correctly.

then Drag n Drop the Audio from the Group that has Kontakt Player - make sure it is the only thing playing in that Group - and place the Audio in another Group!

purfect timestretched loop with no recording needed

surely that is possible in 30 minutes

sowari

 

seriously wtf is wrong with people? The real problem is the INTERNET it gives too many people the ability to b*tch and complain back and forth over and over again about something that is free...meanwhile musicians are out in the real world making music...

 

Wow. Who knew this would blow up like this. I mean I understand that 1.7 wasn't for everyone but its starting the whining has reached earsplitting levels up in here.

I bought Maschine when it did far else than it does now and enjoyed every minute of it despite major bugs and lack of features because I saw the potential in the product. NI has been pretty good with their updates, and they have been free. If NI decides that they need to charge for timstretch and multicore then that's what they have to do. Considering that we have had over two years of free updates I think its fair.

My only complaint about 1.7 is that its a bit buggy.

 

Just learning maschine, no complaints, but hearing that simple features like transport controls sending MIDI in plugin mode are requested for a long long time now would be a reason to complain...?

I got the impression that Maschines development is driven by customers, got many many development ressources, even Kore was discontinued due to this, yet such simple features many people requested aren't implemented?

Hmm...

 

Weirdly enough Tabsel, it was by listening to customers that got Maschine VST implementation this early in the first place...

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showpost.php?p=774756&postcount=2

...which may well have hastened the demise of Kore too.

...I would love to see the transports send MIDI to my host when in plugin mode too - those buttons are redundant otherwise.

 

a) it's sad when you have someone on your ignore list and they keep getting quoted all the time, reminding of why they are on your ignore list........

b) I can't understand why anyone thought maschine was going to get things that were not promised IN THIS update. HOWEVER.......

c) When you hear devs say things to effect of "we are aware of" and months (or guess for some years) it does have a tendency to wear a little. I'm new enough that I have not been in this situation but being older than dirt, on these forums for years (and many other) I can relate to that frustration. However......

d) I don't know what the solution is. IMHO, it really appears that the devs work really hard with this. Even though I did by K8, I couldn't give a rats about 1.7 and will stick with 1.62 as it's been stable and effective and without MPS I'm not going to use a bunch of cpu hungry extras in maschine anyways.

there, I've probably said too much but it's just my 2c

 

The problem is, y'all are cheap. Y'all are complaining about stuff you can do yourself for the right price. Time stretch? Get Komplete 8. If you don't have money, sell music. If you can't do that, why have a Maschine in the first place? Want multicore? Jbridger. End of story. Stop whining over stuff you can have today if you wanted it! NI has provided EXACTLY what y'all want, you're just mad they didn't fly to your house and install it for you and make all your beats for you while they were at it.

Think of it this way: the cost of Maschine: 600. k8: 560. Were at about 1250 US w/ tax? How much is an MPC 4000? how much is any fantom? The MV? what would it cost to buy a bundle the size of K8? what, twice as much? And it's not even as good?

At their price point, this is a steal. This upgrade is going to keep me from ever buying ableton or reason or any hardware synths I was looking at or UAD.

So this seriously all comes down to laziness and being cheap. I get it if you can't afford it, but with Maschine and the stock sounds alone, you should be able to make and sell music enough to cop the new stuff by Christmas...

 

technically an mpc 5000 is only $1999 now (and the 2500 got discontinued) .... can't wait to see what they are cooking up over there next.... (prolly gonna be a bit late to the game though).

either way. you don't need komplete to ts. you could use any one of the MANY plugins (or free plugins for that matter ) that timestretch. or you could do youself a favor and at very least get komplete 5 or reaktor (both worth way more than the asking price IMHO)

but really I want native timestretch in maschine as bad as the next guy... but if they have to rewrite the maschine engine to do it the way they have talked about... then fine I will wait for that major overhaul. in the meant time... stretchin in kontakt 5 is working awesome. to the point that I am a bit more amped for multicore as my 08 macbook pro is getting a bit long in the tooth with out it.

 

Is there anything speaking against NI not implementing the stuff we request* just to phish us for more cash with some paid upgrade/2.0?
It stops my creative flow .. i need to have it "safe" when im in it. If i know i probably will have to go back to my computer to adjust some stupid thing i cant relax enough to get into flow. So my creativity goes instead to imagine NI as greedy zombies growling "money, money!" instead of "brain! brain!"

If we assume for a second that 1.6's implementation of vsti's was just a planned pre step of 1.7 integrating komplete to boost sales. What would the next step be if so? What is it they are planning right now?
It's pretty safe to bet that it will be something that will cost us.
Hmm, not as easy to figure out as i thought ......... i have to think about this

Did it go from 1.0 to 1.5 directly or was there a 1.1, 1.2 1.3 etc?

*tiiimestreetch, sidechain, note length (these are just my requests) etc

 

YES, YOU ARE SOOOOO CORRECT HERE! Instead of addressing the more pressing needs of what other Machine users want in this thread --> http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86741

--like time streatch, better integration of plug-ins / AU's, etc., instead, they give "updates" like the ones mentioned above just so that peeps can go and get the Mikro or something.

I downloaded the 1.7 update already but haven't installed it yet - thank god - because, there seems to be a lot of bugs in it! :S

 

This isn't the truth - and you know that!

Many many people wanted after 1.6.2 a better integration of all plugins - doesn't matter if they come from NI or other companies! This doesn't make sense (except for NI).

The people just wanted common things which are usual (and needed) in hosts or controllers, like:
- renaming parameters
- renaming pages
- choose parameter cathegory (on/off, 0-127...)
- preset browsing

NI told that they weren't completely satisfied when releasing 1.6.2 - and that they will work on these issues... but that they'll just fix it for their products nobody told.

Anyway: I don't complain so much about 1.7.1 (though there are so many small basic issues which are missing) - it was for free. But one thing really makes me angry: Why they didn't finished 1.6.2 and fixed all the bugs? I still experience the same bugs which are really significant!

 

So right!

 

what bugs and have you sent them to tech support so they can track em down?

I love how a free update that includes features MANY of us have been wanting that is a contiuation off of a previous update is considered money grubbing. smh I gotta stay outta this thread yall make no sense... by the way the illuminati created autotune to make it easier to implant thoughts in your head.

 

Yes, I've send them ALL to NI tech support - and they told they already know about them. Also I've posted the bugs to the forum...

Don't know if this is the right place to talk about bugs, but here are a few 'cause you asked about:

- some plugins are useless (i.g. TRacks3) because parameter states aren't saved in the project
- automations with plugins aren't possible, because after saving the project... their values aren't correct anymore
- plugin parameters are jumping randomly (but rarely) even if Maschine's playback is stopped
- no real polyrhythms possible anymore
- ....

Come on NI: Fix at least the bugs from 1.6.2!

 

aimm you've just reminded me that Mads said there was a solution round the corner when the browsing and renaming of plugins was being asked about. Is komplete integration it?

I am, to say the least, confused.

 

No. Read the On The Record. They said parameter renaming in Maschine mode is coming in the next update.

 

Yeah that's true. It's just they said round the corner about 3 months ago lol. Maybe they work to much longer term goals than i.

 

I'm sorry to hear some of you are upset with this update. But this update, and the release of Komplete 8 Ultimate, is the moment that tipped the scales for me. As a Kore 2 owner with Komplete 6 and most of the soundpacks, I swore I was DONE. HA! Maschine upgrade for Kore 2 owners: $399. Komplete Ultimate: $499. I just can't not get them - RIGHT NOW - because Maschine is the future and Kore is the past.

The Killer Sale point is Complete Integration of all NI instruments in Ultimate with Maschine 1.7. This is exactly the sale point that convinced me to buy Kore and Komplete 6 at the same time. That was about a grand as well.

Do you see what's happening here? I'm getting SUCKED IN AGAIN and I can't stop it from happening! IT'S ALL FULLY INTEGRATED - just like before!

And we all know how well THAT turned out!

This time I KNOW NI got it right. RIGHT?

AM I RIGHT THIS TIME?

 

"Excluding Kore from the future roadmap gives the developers more time for all the other products, so in that sense it makes further discontinuations less likely in the first place."

"all other current products will continue to be developed for a long time to come, with absolutely no plans to the contrary. You can take that as an official word from me."
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showpost.php?p=883742&postcount=16

"Maschine has become one of the central products in the NI portfolio in record time, it has one of the biggest team of developers, designers and product managers behind it and a comprehensive roadmap ahead of it. The notion that it could be considered for discontinuation is just completely nonsensical.

To put some perspective on the hysteria that some people have been trying to whip up: Traktor and Kontakt have been in constant development for 10 years, and Reaktor has been maintained since 15 years now. There is no reason to believe that Maschine will not progress and grow further for at least the same amount of time."
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showpost.php?p=875767&postcount=36