1.8 still NO MIDI

No! Maschine doesn't manage multiple Midi interfaces at all or you really don't have a clue what I'm talking about. If you send a message on channel 1, it goes on all channel 1 of all ports of all midi interfaces... That's a pretty bad limitation that my 20+ years old midi sequencer could handle better.

If you're a bedroom producer using only VST, it ain't a big deal, but if you're using a lot of Midi outboard gear for pro use like I do, that's a huge problem and it makes Maschine completely unusable.

Multiple Midi Interface is a feature we can find in ANY DAW and Sequencer and when I bought Maschine I was assuming it was there... That's actually even what NI seems to say in their misleading website and marketing videos and the "Support of Midi". There's no damn Midi support at all...

I don't give a damn if it's in 1.7, 1.8 or whatever version you want, it's not there even with the last update and it's misleading customers about Maschine features and abilities to handle midi.

So I still can't use Maschine for what it's supposed to be (a freaking MIDI Sequencer) and I need to switch to something else... I might give a shot at the new Akai Renaissance (it already has multiple midi out ports, so it should be fine).

It's kind of bad because I like Maschine environment, but it can't just get the job done.

 

Dude come on now, you can't be serious...
We JUST got a new update and you are already complaining, I can't believe you. I am sure you read up on what the new features in 1.8 are and obviously MIDI was not one of them, so why are you posting this. Honestly to me you sound like a child that is spoiled and just wants, wants, wants. If MIDI is SO IMPORTANT to you, go buy something else besides Maschine and sell yours. I hate it so much when we get free updates and then you get the people who say ," Oh but it still doesn't have this or that," and ,"These things should've been there from the start with v1.0." Native Instruments already said a bunch of times that the Maschine is its own thing and not a MPC clone, so drop it man and quit your whining please. Honestly though, to me you sound like you were board and decided to start trolling the forums.......:angry:

 

Maschine does recognize multiple midi interfaces and all midi ports.

Maschine's current limitation is that it will send the same data to all midi ports which is why you're limited to 16 channels as of now. This means that if you can configure your hardware to send all the other midi channels outs to other units daisy chained then essentially you can run 16 pieces of outboard gear.

Also, if you use Maschine as a plugin within a DAW you can open multiple instances of Maschine and therefore use more than 16 Midi channels. All instances of Maschine will be synced to your DAWs transport. Additional bonus of course is that spreading instances across more than one track in your DAW allows for each track to use a different core if you have multi processors.

 

Ahem it's "bored" not "board." But I'm the child :lol: How does that work?

Point is MIDI is just as important as time stretching IMO. Should have been implemented by now. I completely agree with Spidouz. Not trying to upset anyone, just posting my opinion. That is all.

 

Not all! You can check my message history, my really first message was few months ago and was about it.

Indeed I bought Maschine two months ago to use it as a Midi Sequencer because that's what it is supposed to be... to use it with my external gear as well as my plugin.

From the moment I bought it I discovered the midi wasn't there. It was actually a bad surprise I had when I start to use it. You can argue everything you want, Maschine doesn't handle and manage multiple midi interface... It's just spread information on everything that is mounted. When you have several multi-timbral devices, it's completely useless to daisy chain them.

If you can't understand that, I really really would like to see your studio (oops, your bedroom sorry) and see how you are working and what you're doing and how many gold and platinum records you've worked on, how many Artist you've worked with, etc... because Midi my friend, that's a basic feature for a midi sequencer... it's "Midi Sequencer 101". If it's not there, it's NOT a Midi Sequencer, it's a VST plugin Sequencer... therefore stop lying to customer and misleading them on your website.

Therefore I ask here and some Moderator told me it was on the "Feature Request list"... So I waited for the new version. I'm not spending my entire life on the forum what the new system does or does not, what it will do or will not do. I just need something that works... PERIOD.

And since the new version is out, I tried and noticed it was still not there, and apparently I'm not the only one to notice it. And that's why I'm not satisfied and report this here (it's the official NI forums right? so it's the right place I guess).

I don't give a damn about time stretching, multi-colors and all of that. It's like if you want airbag and leather seat in a new car update but you don't even have an engine yet... To me and for what I'm doing, it's just pure non sense and useless. I was hoping to be able to keep Maschine with the new update, but apparently I can't (not counting the few bugs I already found in 1.8.1).

So, as already said in my previous message, I'm not gonna wait and bitch about for months again and again... I need to work, I need to make music.

That's why reselling Maschine and I'm gonna try something else. I'm currently seeking for the license transfer process. If you can't understand that, keep trolling but I'm out of here.

Oh BTW, I have a brand new Maschine mk1 for sale...

 

Ive been asking about more MIDI control since version 1.1 so I feel your pain. I cant use maschine as the center of my live performance because of this. So I can continue to wait or buy something else. Thankfully Akai answered that call on version 1.0 of MPC Ren. I will be purchasing it and run Maschine inside it but I don't see myself buying any more NI products for quite a while. As good as they are I've wasted too much time and money waiting around for it to become what I need. Awesome it's good for so many other people who are software based but I really don't like being limited to only a computer for music production (as limitless as that is). I want be able to make music with any piece of music equipment and that is done with standards like MIDI and even CV which AKAI apparently recognizes while NI does not.... Way to go AKAI!
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MIDI cc at least....please?

 

Ok, you didn't create this thread so I am baffled to why you thought I was speaking to you. That's real mature how you decided to start bashing my studio, to which you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about WHATSOEVER. When did I ever say anything about yours or my beats and about how great they are, and why did you resort to that? Makes me wonder....So you tried the new version and you noticed midi was not there, LOL. You could've read the sticky NI posts to see that! I use Maschine with a DAW, so I am just fine with that. I don't care that you're selling your maschine, not sure why you would think I am. And if you were SO CONCERNED with midi, since you need to work, need to make music(like you say, LOL ), you wouldn't be whining about it two months after you bought it. Instead you would have worked around it(DAW) or get something else. I am sure that is very difficult for your mind to grasp. And you are talking to me like I am a NI employe or something, wherever you got that from is beyond me. And by the way, an airbag and leather seat car update? Great analogy...
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Sorry, I made a spelling mistake, I know that obviously makes me a child. The point you just made isn't valid because all features aren't equally important to every person. I am sure NI took this into account. My point is that it is useless and a kick in the face to native instruments to argue about a feature update when we just had an update. I am sure NI is well aware of it and if I remember correctly one of the mods posted in a thread awhile back that it is one of the most requested.

 

tom its about frustration simple as that, I've been using maschine for years, and I'm still frustrated and own more than one, minus the rude comments that dude made he's got a right to be frustrated…..It doesn't make any sense to think people aren't making music just because maschine is not up to par yet, most of us making feature request use more than just maschine. I've been complaining for years but the music don't stop over here.

 

Sounds like the OP just wanted to mention that Maschine has received another update and MIDI hasn't been fully implemented yet....not that 1.8 promised to have better MIDI. You guys really need to lighten up.

This is very valid for those of us wanting to incorporate hardware. The more I get sucked into buying software instruments and dealing with memory, CPU power, stable environment, etc the more I uninstall software from my computer and rely on my trusted hardware. And companies like Roland are still releasing hardware (Integra 7...hello).

There are 3 aspects I wanted to see improved in Maschine (the Ren as well) to completely win me over:
1. Sample Recording/Editing
2. More robust hardware controller
3. Full MIDI capabilities

After several years, I am still not satisfied in these aspects. Plenty of feature request threads that explain the what's, why's, and how's.

 

@Spidouz

fwiw, there was a sticky thread up for over three months with the list of the features that were going to be available for 1.8 - improved MIDI was never on that list.

it would make more sense to me to complain about it not being on the list - during the time the sticky was up - rather than rant about it not being included now.

also, loads of users do care about time-stretching, and will find the colors very useful in terms categorizing their Groups, Patterns and Scenes.

people have different workflows and composing and production methods, and the updates can never please everyone.

in terms of my workflow, the lack of side-chaining is much more of a problem to my needs than the MIDI limitations, but i have to say that the 1.8 update has enough new features to keep me happy for a few months.

sowari

 

I agree that in it's current state sidechain is very essential, another thing that keeps it from being a komplete music production system

 

+1

side chaining, fx/sound tails & timestretching are far more important than virtual mid ports....on a sampler/beat-making/music production system..

Maschine is no more constrained than any other piece of hardware with one midi port...and there are plenty of ways to chain/isolate racks in a daisy.

 

well it has to be said more fool you, cos if midi implementation was so critical to ur workflow, you should not of purchased the unit if it did not yet tick all ur boxes in terms of features that need to be present from day one.
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side chain is not what i would consider essential, as in u can make a beat without using side chaining.

so thats just some **** u' like but that dont make it essential

 

As great as Maschine is, this is the number 1 reason I would never make this device the centerpiece of my studio.

 

Maybe its not essential for hip hop production but in house music production sidechain compression is part of what makes the sound and it is essential.

Also, I didn't make a mistake purchasing Maschine, I like what it does but I'd like it to be the center of production which it can't until midi cc and sidechain are implemented, that's all.

$90 workaround for sidechain btw...

http://www.db-audioware.com/sidechain-compressor.html

 

And if you need any proof that sidechain is essential in dance music production I have a test for you.

Go to http://www.beatport.com

Pick 10 random tracks.
List how many use sidechain compression and how many don't...
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For me it's not the MIDI ports available, 16 channels is plenty to work with but Program Change / Bank Select / and MIDI CC's are important for incorporating hardware synths into a live performance which Maschine does not have.

 

Really?.. there are 100 reasons why Maschine is not the centrepiece of my studio... with #1->99 being "its not a DAW"

maschine is great at what it does and for what it is supposed to be.. a user friendly, easy to use sampler/beat maker/music production "system".. but any comparison to a real DAW is foolish..and no disrespect to Maschine on that front.. simply two different markets.

I have

 

I'm not trying to mix and master on it (I'll use Cubase for that) I just want to be able to create a track from start to finish with a speedy workflow and without looking at a computer screen....:shrug:

This also allows the track to easily be performed live since it was created with Maschine. Maybe I have a different vision of what it should be for than others but I thought it was about a) Fast workflow b) Hardware control with the power of software c) live performance

I'm not going to stop making music because it's not, it's just that it could be more "komplete" for creation and performance with some basic essentials added

 

if you dont support NI you support terrorism


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