1.8 Update?

i dont get why u cant see the connection
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this seems logical
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but do u noit feel its valid to ask where the update is more extensive updates the 1.8 took less time to test hence the question to ni, wtf

 

Nearly all.....which is why I am mostly look forward to Maschine updates after 1.8.

Plus...I am keeping hope alive for an updated controller..something that you would primarily keep in the studio and not stick in a back pack.

 

There's no connection because you can't compete against a product that isn' t even out yet (or even has a release date).

The is no logic to the statement they are waiting to see what Akai does because they have already listed all the features that are going to be in 1.8. They are not suddenly going to add a bunch of features.

Lots of resellers have told people that NI are trying to get rid of all the old stock before releasing the update. So it is therefore much more likely that it's the Mashine sale that is the cause of the delay. Not Akai.

Also whose to say what problems they've encountered in the beta test? I would much rather they ironed out every bug now rather than rush through an update because a few forum members are getting impatient.

 

Closing threads oooooooooooh! Gives me the shivers! Is this not a N.I forum? I am sick and tired of the real threads getting closed. It's like damage control. If N.I didn't want threads in the forum like this 1.8 would already be out. Ain't nobody stupid well at least I'm not. I was an early adopter with Maschine I don't want to have to wait till that MPC drops to get my hands on whatever the hell N.I is doing. It's bull.... I'm sick of these shenanigans and yeah I said "shenanigans". It doesn't take a year to do this update period. Frankly I'm a little pissed off to be honest. Don't try to sell me a damn sample kit like I'm an idiot. They need to quit p.footing around acting like they don't know what they are suppose to add in this thing. It's not rocket science and it shouldn't take 5 years to do. People making excuses like ohhh.. you should be able to make a beat with what you have blah blah. Look I don't want to flip through 3 programs to make a beat. Multicore Multi-Instruments Midi import this is basic **** man. They are killing me with this b.s. Charge for it already who cares can we just friggin have it?

 

It's not that. It's that this thread looks like it'll turn into another Maschine verses MPC thread and all the mods have said they will close any threads like that.

 

Yeah well N.I hello news flash you have competition. They need to get there game face on and stop bullshittin closing threads won't change that. Close a thread a new one shall rise. This is redundant and annoying. For one we shouldn't be talking about the MPC but the reason we are is because the features look very damn good. Waiting on basic things from N.I is getting to be annoying. We all have stuck up for this Maschine long enough it's time for N.I to deliver. I'm not saying Maschine is a piece of ish I'm saying in the time it's been around it should be further along. I don't know if it has anything to do with them always hiring or what. I'm just saying they have got enough advise from the users why did it take for the Ren to drop for them to add Timestretch? It's like they weren't even planning on it yet. If they where they would have been working on it and it wouldn't take this long for the update. I'm fed up yo real talk. I value my dollar. 3 years for some **** that's been around forever and totally makes sense to already be in the damn thing. It's ridiculous at the least. The simplest thing like Midi Import wtf? Nobody should have to request that for anything with a sequencer. It's like N.I is handicapping this thing on purpose or something. I could understand something revolutionary taking a while to do but we are talking about features in shareware here. I swear I don't have a bachelors degree but give me 6 months at N.I with the Maschine department I bet you wouldn't care about a MPC. They are b.sing right now period.

 

vinceprice is right, we've paid anything from $400-$800 for a piece of equipment that is essentially a beta in itself. How many other companies do you know that take 3 years to fix/complete anything let alone basic functions available in free/subpar products? (akai exempt) Apparently $800x25000 (guesstimation) isn't enough money to invest appropriately into the said item. And don't tell me the controller costs X amount because it clearly is worth about $100, $200tops! There is no wonder NI staff are always changing. Clearly if you can't satisfy staff how the hell are you going to satisfy your customers? NI are slow at updates, slow at customer service, slow at shipping items you have already paid for (1 month so far, hasn't even left NI's warehouse).. Wake up NI! I honestly hope the Ren comes out soon, NI might smarten up.. But I bet they will be slow at that too!

 

I disagree about the frequency of their updates. I also use Logic and Live and it's been 2 years since either of them have had a decent upgrade and they are two of the most well used and popular products on the market. Compared to them NI have been quite frequent.

Yeah we've all invested money in this product but it has progressed a long way since it first came out and every one of those updates has been free. That's not a bad investment as far as I'm concerned.

 

it's not a bad investment if it came out including features that were up to standard at it's time, if 2.0 comes out and they make you pay for midi import, crossfading, songmode, mute recording and any number of features that should have been there on day one you are gonna eat this post

but I don't want this thread closed either so let's keep it comparison free.

besides maschine only needs to compete with the 21 century and not another beatmachine, if you add how ridiculous that 1.0 release was with all the time it's taken and all of the updates we've had already and then we already know that the 1.8 update is going to add some good things but still remain subpar to what it should have been at 1.0 it's obvious to see that ni needs to get on the ball……………. !
ffs lately I've been seeing people on the forum recommend using daws like they're talking about one of maschines features it's getting downright shameful. When somebody ask you something specifically about a maschine feature you don't go off talking about logic and ableton live ffs most people already have one of those, we're talking about maschineeeeeeeeeeeee!

 

let me ask you all... would you marry a girl who weighed 250lbs simply because you thought she could diet and become a 125lb hottie?... no, you wouldnt..what you see is what you get. period.

So, Complaining about bugs is one thing but whining about not meeting unadvertised features is pathetic. NI advertised Maschine for what it was..you bought it.. more fool you. ...take some responsibility and blame yourself for your mistake, not NI.

The feature set of 1.8 is fixed and any connection to the akai is imaginary and conspiracy theorist in nature...if it was ready, it would be out.. so therefore?..yup, its not ready.

put me in the "close the thread already" category

 

This!

 

lol, in this day and age not importing midi into a sequencer is a bug…….
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unless you just started making music today you have no excuse not knowing that.

 

Well in fact, I married the 125lbs girl hoping she'd put on weight and become a real Maschine. What I see is so much potential being held back for unknown reasons. The few things people want are quite easy to introduce. I know people want something that works but the fact remains others have implemented it easily, while NI for all its code apparently can't handle these simple tasks if the heresay is true. The feature set of 1.8 isn't fixed as displayed in the Upcoming 1.8 thread: This list is subject to change, and does not necessarily list all features and fixes that will be in the final update. As for the whining about unadvertised features, I distinctly remember Maschine touted as an all-in-one solution. Sure that only includes features listed, but that also leaves it open to criticism. Oh and yeah, I bought it and I take responsibility for that, but blaming myself for the mistake? What mistake? Sounds like a man who is himself regretful but staunchly defending his own ignorance..

 

i cant understand why theres two groups argueing over products that are not even out !

theres people saying ren is better than 1.8 upgrade yet the ren must be in some kind of trouble because it was orginally going to come out months ago and now theres no release date and no reason why .

if 1.8 is also having issues id rather ni hold back a week or two than release it and then this forum is full of people pissin and moaning about it.

im still guessing 1.8 will be out very very very soon the maschine deal ends next week so im guessing once that ends then theyll hit us with the 1.8 update or at the very least give us some news on it.

and also im betting this thread will et closed any minute now because its just turned from a discussion to yet another ren vs maschine thread.

 

it is not quite a discussion about Ren vs 1.8 .... yet :lol:

if this discussion is based on products that are already out then those comparisons are fine.

just to clarify on the position of the moderators there is no point in comparing products when they have not been released, because until they have worldwide distribution and a decent amount of people have had time to actually time to use the products as part of their day to day workflow, then it makes no sense no sense to talk about features because until people actually use these features and see how they work both in terms of how they are implemented and the results they produce, there is nothing to talk about.

anyway, i hear your frustrations both in terms of the lack of news regarding 1.8 but also certain missing features. lets hope we get an announcement sooner rather than later.

sowari

 

Both Native Instruments (for 1.8) and Akai (Ren) have released feature lists for forthcoming products/updates or have (in the case of the latter) been interviewed at various shows telling of what their product will be capable of.
Don't understand why these facts can't be discussed.

VERY keen to hear an announcement from NI

 

they are just lists and to be honest, these 'lists' have been discussed on numerous threads already. as far as i am concerned feature lists mean nothing until loads of users have actually used the features on a day-to-day purpose.

when 'lists' become realities - in other words as part of released products - then the discussion can resume

sowari

 

The point Sowari is making is that those lists are not FACTS..simply lists..

Every product, whether hardware or software has bugs, unwanted features, quirks, missing items and other assorted and associated things that make the user experience less than expected by any one given user.

So, until hardware has been checked and tested by a gaggle of users to find holes, flaws, delights and stars, you simply cannot make any sort of valid comparison...

 

I 100 % agree with sowari, it's not even necessary to go there (other name brands)
I don't care about other companies, If you are an electronic musician or any musician that has heard of 'email' then you have no excuse to not know how lacking maschine 1.0 software was, we don't need to talk about 1.8 cause 1.8 is not the problem, the problem is now. maschine was in development at least 3 years before it came out, and then it's 1.0 release basically amounted to absolutely not representing what any product of this sort should represent at the time, the fact that we got vst implementation and komplete integration is wonderful, the stuff that was not included in it's 1.0 release as well as still not implemented today is laughable at best, or should I say worst for us very hopeful users of this beat machine. any musician who uses software knows this, the only and i do mean only thing holding maschine together is it's tight integration with the software and that is also the reason why all of us talking about these omitted features are still very hopeful.
this thing is promoted as a groove production system c'mon give me a break…. no pun intended.
lets go ni !

 

@the hamburgler, to clarify i am not saying we should not compare Maschine with other products, i am saying we should not compare Maschine to a list of features for a future product

what i will say is that there have been some puzzling decisions in terms of Maschine's development but let's remind ourselves that we are talking about the integration of a Hardware Device and a Software device here and that integration must have compromised decisions in terms of how the hardware and software was designed and coded and also what features have been included and which ones have yet to be included. and yes you do talk about that in your post.

sowari