1.8 Update?

^^understood

 

There has never been a time where we had such great and affordable options in equipment. Seize the time my prettys and make some good music!

 

OK, so 1.8 is not a fact?
- That's exactly what I suggested in a previous thread when I put forward the motion that NI might just got for a 2.0 release (to go with a new controller to be announced). I got knocked down with "NI wouldn't skip 1.8". Why wouldn't they? They are not contractually obliged to, we are not shareholders so don't have to be kept up to date with exactly what they are up to.

It is entirely fair to compare products on this or any site (granted, only ACTUAL products) as it's an open market and now more than ever - a competitive market.
Different people will prefer different products with regards to their needs or the style of music they produce so it's a good thing to have side by side comparisons.

The next few months (hopefully) will see a big change in the market and I for one definitely look forward to seeing side-by-side comparison reviews and videos popping up on youtube etc.

Exciting days!

Just wish two certain companies in question would hurry and release what they've been promising or what they may surprise the market with 'cos i've got some cash burning a hole in my pocket! lol.

 

Actually it could well be possible that they do both. They could release 1.8 as a free upadate and release 2.0 with a new controller at the same time (which you would obviously have to pay for), where the software would only work with the new controller (at first).

They did it with Traktor S4. The software that came with the S4 only worked with that controller. At the same time they were still selling an older version of Traktor. It wasn't until further down the line that they integrated the whole lot under a single Traktor Pro upgrade.

If they did it with Traktor and the S4 they can do it with Maschine. I'm not saying they will do it of course, but it is feasible.

 

:lol:

i would be very surprised if NI dropped 1.8.

more clarification:

the Akai Ren and Maschine 1.8 have been compared on at least 3 if not 4 threads. - there is nothing more to say until both products are released.

all the threads so far have ended up as huge arguments with people making personal remarks and basically breaking forum rules.

i need to remind people that b-righteous, ew, and myself do this in our spare time and we have agreed that we don't want to 'police' any more arguments based on 'lists of features', when there are already threads about this.

sowari

 

well, already waiting very long for this update. i suppose it's really something like the old units should be sold so that new packages with new software can be made. i hope its soon ready, because i'm really really awaiting this panic button, hold automation mode and some other things.. looking for a nicer workflow.

so, NI please finish it soon, thanks a lot in advance!

ps: i'm sick of this maschine vs. ren discussion too .. sowari is completely right, why should one compare maschine with products which are not available to date...

 

Not true at all what you're saying you are leaving out how the fat girl with the pretty face promised that she was going to diet. She has taken 3 diets but for some reason she only knocked off 20 pounds. She keeps holding back because she don't think I'll leave her ass. Check this out though I just saw a picture of this fly chick that does everything she does for me and some but everytime I bring her up to the homiez they say "Yo.... you ain't even met that chick yet yall just looking at each other on the internet." I'm like so what she looks special I'm thinking about droppin my old chick and moving on to the new one unless my old head hits that treadmill quick.
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LOL if they did that I would get the Ren and sell the Maschine I have unless it integrated seamless with Traktor. That would be like the biggest let down ever to have to buy a new controller to get new features with Maschine in would make me feel like a beta tester.

 

thats b.s.
My analogy was perfectly accurate, and you know it.

If you feel different, then feel free to provide the link to a three year old statement by N.I promising to include specific features in a specific timeframe.. (hey for giggles..pick timestretching).. they havent....NI has never promised ANY feature enhancement, but chooses to provide free updates and let us know what will be in them when they are approved for development.

lets be honest here... like every other product, maschine is sold (and purchased) with the software "as is/as stated".. its feature set at any time was clearly stated...So, it was advertised for sale with a feature set, and you (and I) purchased it... So then, if, as a user, you assumed that Maschine would then be miraculously transformed into your dream hw/sw package..then thats on you.. not N.I.

 

It's pointless to compare a non-existing product.
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Waaaaaa!

Stop whining.

 

Every time someone mentions a missing feature all we ever get is, "you knew what it did when you bought it".

Well I most certainly did not know that this product touted as the hub of the studio did not have MIDI import. And that the physical MIDI connections did not function like their hardware counterparts.

This information was not mentioned anywhere and would not be something I would consciously look for as its one of the most basic aspects of any MIDI capable product.

Perhaps your studio is just a laptop and Maschine so don't care if it works well with other stuff? Well bully for you, but slapping down others because they do not agree is purile.

This forum is a way to communicate with NI and hopefully address issues.

The real problem here is the way many companies make announcements then go quiet for too long. Sometimes no news is better than announcements that are either very vague or have no timeline.
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And by the way I do appreciate that NI has added new features for free. But I do not consider Midi Import an extra "feature".

It really should be there from day one, like Kontakt has and many other NI products.

Surely?

 

All I got to say is "Do not underestimate 1.8, No its not another 1.6 banger with vsti support and all that Its gonna be more like the 1.5 update, we were all happy (most of us)" It will not be much great updates like 1.6 until 2.0

1.5 good 1.6 were great 1.7 ok.

Or my other thought is that 1.8 might be shaping up to go to 2.0, either way you know that NI is putting resources into maschine

Just my thoughts

 

No point crying over spilled milkshake..

 

Theres no such thing as free speech on message boards...maybe you should stfu for a while...just saying
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I dunno when i fork out $500 for anything i make damn sure i know its features...i agree that midi import has to be an essential update in the future...but i knew it wasnt there when i bought the thing

Buyer beware and all that...

 

Don't want to be controversial, but how long do we have to wait for ? :

- MIDI Import / Export
- MIDI List editing (position in ticks, note length, velocity, ...)
- Groove Management
- Realtime & offline Timestretch
- ...

It seems obvious features for a "groove production workstation"

 

i think vince made some valid points i feel its perfectly acceptable to raise valid concerns and that doe not equate to moaning, some dude just **** **** and are basically yes men to ni.

i like products of many companies but that dont make them beyond reproach if they **** up should be able to call it out with no hard feelings.

@noiseroot talking to u and others who basically swear allegiance to any company be it akai or ni , dont get to attached to any of these companies try remain objective.

 

Point blank 3 years to catch up with everything going on in the audio app world is enough time. Didn't Kore 2 have multi-instruments? Doesn't Kontakt have timestretch? Don't leave out key ingredients to try to get me to buy something that should be in Maschine already. I wouldn't say anything if they didn't have products with features Maschine needs and should have. It's blatantly obvious that that is what they are doing. Why discontinue Kore 2 in favor of Maschine and not give those features to Maschine? If people would hop of the bandwagon for a while and be constructive consumers maybe N.I would realize that you don't have to drag your feet and bleed your customers. You will gain more customers with a great product. I don't recommend Maschine to anyone at this moment I recommend Live or say wait for Bitwig and see what the MPC Ren will be like. Even though Maschine has hardware it's just a controller. We need to stop giving kudos for this and realize the software just isn't where it should be right now period. Not that big of a deal really. All they have to do is add the features. It's a groovebox why wouldn't you want Timestretch midi import multi-instruments. What you call whining I call being honest.
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As a consumer and a fan of N.I I am disappointing hands down. NAMM 2009 I bought into Maschine. They said the beautiful thing about it is it's software and hardware so we can update the software. Excuse me for thinking they would at least be on 2.0 by now with Timestretch Multi Instruments Midi Import you know like the regular things in DAWS lmao. You are going to get blisters on your butt riding that bandwagon so hard man lol. Not mad at the Mikro but made no since to do that when there was more work to do on the software end same with iMaschine. It just seems like they have a scatterbrain direction in my opinion. These updates are to combat the MPC I'll say it till I'm blue in the face! What if there was no MPC? Would they have added Timestretch in 1.8? I don't think so I think they would have waited for 2.0 but they want to hold on to as much of the market as they can. I'm not loyal to companies because they are all money hungry and could give 2 bowel movements if I woke up with cancer tomorrow. Anyone who holds on to a company like their child sticking up for there b.s like they have unconditional love for them is the reason they do what they do. Don't be a part of the problem be a part of the solution. Be honest with yourself. You buy into something push it to the limit don't settle because then they will. If you made something dope and your friends say hey that's bangin and then play them something weak and they say it's bangin.... Would you want them to speak up or d ride you into oblivion?

 

Don't get me wrong i love the maschine for what it is and i make a couple beats a day, but
it's BS is all i got to say. Of course they create alot of anticipation announcing an update with features you want. And of course that turns into disappointment when you look for it every day for several months. It just can't take this long? Don't announce the next update just flash it to my face when its ready please.

 

Kore and Maschine, are very different and therefore i don't think it is a good comparison. even Maschine and Kontakt have a different architecture and so comparisons are difficult.

i do agree with you that there are some features that are missing and for me those features should have been part of 1.7.2.

i also need to repeat that Maschine is not a DAW, so i don't think you can compare it to Ableton and Bitwig.

sorry, but i am going to give kudos for the integration of the Software with the Hardware. this integration still gets me using Maschine more than anything else. nut yes, there are times when i do get frustrated with missing features.

sowari

 

peeps is pissed at long coms silences


b4 1.8 was announced ni was silent for between 6 and 9 months then they announce 1.8 with time stretch.

then go silent for another 3 months


so if they could keep things more transparent with their loyal following then peeps would be less disgruntled

but peeps feel messed around hence the reason for the sentiment in this thread

 

LOL.

Try asking Apple about Logic X or Ableton about Live 9, see if Propellerheads will tell you anything about Reason 7 or when they are going to release it.

Companies don't have the kind of transparency you're talking about. You should be grateful for what NI does tell you because it's a hell of a lot more than the other big players in the audio industry.