2.6 autogain

If un-aware of the f1 and volume fader gain adjust watch the tutorials.

A slightly better explanation...

Autogain increase: Volume fader must have some room to move down! Hold "shift" move down.

Autogain decrease: volume fader must have room to move up! Hold "shift" move up.

you may wonder why it seems reversed. It is so it has the least amout of effect on the actual volume heard which is very important.

 

My suggestion for the S4.

Current Workflow:
Gain knob adjusts the channel gain.
Pushing the gain knob resets the channel gain to 0dB

Suggested Workflow:
Gain knob adjusts whichever gain is selected on the screen. (ie if dot is blue adjust channel agin, if dot is orange adjust the auto gain)
Pushing the gain knob switches between channel and auto gain.
Shift+Push Knob resets whichever gain is shown on screen.

 

That sounds great.

(SHIFT - rotate knob) adjust whatever gain is selected
(Push knob) changes the mode
(SHIFT - Push) resets whatever gain is selected.

 

The reason I like the faders is that I get a good idea of where the volume needs to be and when increasing the autogain I know were my faders are on the tracks that work so I try to match those.
Also I disabled the gain knobs and use those for 4 different jogwheel effects.

Hope it helps someone!

But yeah I agree Count has a good idea for familiar use.
Have fun at least this thread seems to have helped!

 

Example of totally unnecessary ''improvement''. The autogain was very decent as it was. The few times it was off it wasn't exactly rocket science to adjust it on the mixer.

In my humble opinion this software is becoming way too cluttered. And no, I don't want Traktor to write all this rubbish into the files themselves, nor do I have time to become a full time editor of music files.

 

i made some tests and what i still dont get and i think this is really not ok:

1. channel gain (blue dot) is set to 0
2. autogain is analyzed and stored (orange dot)
3. autogain while loading new track option is set in preferences
4. playing track without using effekts or filter or anything

after that .. now my question: why is it that with some tracks the volume leds (internal ones in traktor -> on top that signalizes the output volume) are jumping max to orange and others jumping max to end of range (red) ?

 

Autogain does not always get it perfect. Remember autogain is not a peak level analysis. It is a perceived loudness analysis.

This is actually why the new system was put in place. So that by showing the orange dot and adjusting the autogain value you can easily fix any minor errors.

 

so this means i do not have to care about the volume leds as long as i use autogain as described ?

 

No I mean if the leds are clipping you can use the new system to lower the autogain value to fix the problem.

 

Seems like nobody cares but when mixing without autogain "on" in your preferences, tracks are loaded at 0db (blue and orange) and so updated at 0db after playing the track. I mixe in external mode so I don't really care but if I want a mixed use (autogain off with external mixer and autogain on with a S2/S4) I have to re-analyse the tracks everytimes.
When you don't use autogain in preferences, Traktor don't have to update the autogain value.

 

@Audio Slave: thats ok (i guess) but i talk about having autogain always on.

@Count Zero: ok .. so i put it this way .. if i don't change anything to the analysed tracks (meaning autogain was analysed and stored) and leave the channel gain at 0dB everything is supposed to be like with the former version (like 2.5.1) ?

 

Yep

 

@chakktheripper: Sorry. I just wanted to talk about this little issue I've found.
But nobody care.

 

ah .. ok .. maybe i can help here .. if you don't use load track with autogain option on in preferences and you don't change the autogain level of the track and only the channel gain .. the pre-analyzed autogain value stays the same, no re-analyze needed if you load the next time with the preference set to on.

 

No, when you don't use autogain in your settings, your track are loaded at 0db (autogain level and channel level). You play the track then Traktor update the autogain value with the new value (0db).
I don't use autogain cause I am on a mixer but if one day I want to use a small controller with the autogain, I will have to re-analyse all the tracks played with autogain off.
It's an issue, minor but real.
Think I'm gonna open a ticket with NI.
Thanks for your help chakktheripper.
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Send a bug report to NI.

 

In the meantime you could just keep autogain on and make whatever minor adjustments are needed on your hardware mixer. You are right that this seems to be a bug. It was supposed to work the way chakktheripper described.

 

It was supposed to work like explained in the FAQ:

Note: If you have this function disabled, we advise you to not use the Auto-Gain knob in the mixer section, otherwise you`ll potentially write uncontrolled Auto-Gain values into your files.

But this way wrote 0db values in the files.
Ticket has been sent to NI.
First response was: take a look at the FAQ.
So I ask them to try a combination of actions.
Waiting for an aswer from NI.

 

back to this thread. had a sit in a front of laptop with orange dot ON and loading my tracks and i found out that some (i mean a lot) of my tracks doesnt give me an option to change gain. when i point to an gain level adjuster it just dont have - / +, and kindda blurs.
is it me or what?

 

In this case just reload the track again. Sometimes reload it twice, and it will be OK.
Don't ask, it's just another bug or feature in the software I guess..

But for me, this method works.