3.2 Harmonic Mixing Update

Discussion in 'TRAKTOR PRO / TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO' started by Brian J., Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Brian J.

    Brian J. NI Product Owner

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    Big fan of harmonic mixing! I’m glad NI is putting an effort toward this.. However, Traktor key detection algorithm is a far cry compared to MIK. Which beg the question.. Will this update support mixing in key at all?

    Opinions?
     
  2. Reverend Roberts

    Reverend Roberts NI Product Owner

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    I have just started running some tests this week with MIK and Traktors key detection to see which one I want to use. I have been using approx 12,000 tunes and so far have compared about 10% of it (2 keys). There has been about 25% difference in the results between the two.
    Even though people say that MIK is supposed to be better that Traktors key detection, I did find that on the differences Traktors algorithm did seem to sound better on the mix. I also play some riffs on synths and keyboards Maschine/Kontact and so far Traktors Keys seem to fit in better with the scales.
    In conclusion at the moment I am swaying towards Traktors but as it is all analysed with MIK at the moment I will run it for a week or so and see which seems better.

    To use MIK in Traktor import the MIK analysed tunes, and run Traktors analysis but uncheck the key box and it will import it in all fine, beatgrid it but leave MIKs keys.
     
  3. radiokrishna

    radiokrishna NI Product Owner

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    I analyze all new tracks through "Mixed in Key", but it writes data to Traktor in Open Key notation (Traktor's native format). In addition, the "Key Text" field contains the keys in the original notation. To apply the changes made in MIK, it is enough to make a Check Consistency in the Traktor.

    For visual display, I prefer the Traktor's native format (1m, 1d), and find it more logical and easy to remember than the MIK's format (8A, 8B).
     
  4. radiokrishna

    radiokrishna NI Product Owner

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    I'm more concerned with the new concept of "Adjacent" Keys. I would like to get from the developers a description or instructions on how to use them.
     
  5. Vinyl Tap

    Vinyl Tap NI Product Owner

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    New concept?

    Check the MiK site, mate. Loads of info there.
     
  6. Brian J.

    Brian J. NI Product Owner

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    Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. Let me rephrase: I know how to use MIK with Traktor very well. Not that is difficult. I was just wondering if this new Traktor update supports MIK key detection natively. As it stands, Traktor algorithm is pretty bad compared to mixed in key..

    My point is all of this new features are nice but pretty much useless if the key detection is not reliable.

    Thoughts?
     
  7. Vinyl Tap

    Vinyl Tap NI Product Owner

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    No. MiK is completely separate and will not be “supported natively”.

    Why do you care, though, if you know and have MiK?

    MiK is infinitely better than TP2 & TP3 for detecting keys. So just use MiK?

    Are talking about the notation used? (Musical vs. Open Key?)
     
  8. Brian J.

    Brian J. NI Product Owner

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    I know that MIK is miles ahead any DJ software key detection algorithm. What I’m trying to say, is that I want to use all of the new features (semitones up down, colored key display, search by key etc) *WITH* mixed in key results, instead of Traktor open key. Now MIK results are display as some half assed text in the comment’s column.. Capisc’?
     
  9. Vinyl Tap

    Vinyl Tap NI Product Owner

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    There’s a video on YouTube fully explaining exactly that, mate.

    Capisc’?
     
  10. Brian J.

    Brian J. NI Product Owner

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    Really? As far I know NI needs pay MIK to do exactly that. Link mate?
     
  11. kokernutz

    kokernutz NI Product Owner

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  12. radiokrishna

    radiokrishna NI Product Owner

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    You can change "Displayed in Traktor" setting to "Musical" Key, it will appear in the Key Widget too, but MIK's notation is not supported there, only in the Key Text field or in the comment.

    If it is possible to do it, it would be good, but if it is a question of royalties, then please do not at my expense, I am quite satisfied with Open Key.
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
  13. lydewrj

    lydewrj New Member

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    Can anyone help me?

    The harmonic mixing update won't work for me as it will not colour any of the keys unless I choose the "colour all keys" option. As you can see from the screenshots I have the track playing on "master" so I am unsure why it is not working...

    Please let me know as I would love to use this feature but I just can't quite get it to work. Thank you!!
     

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