A.I.R Structure Kontakt 5 verses Kontakt 3

We have been using Kontakt 3 library in A.I.R Structure for several years and the library works.

We upgraded to Kontakt 5 and the Kontakt 5 Library does not work in Structure.


What is the difference in the Kontakt 5 library from Kontakt 3 library that prevent the Kontakt 5 Library from loading in the A.I.R Structure?

Thanks

 

NI made Kontakt instruments and libraries incompatible with everything else, everyone seems to do that nowadays, very annoying. MachFive 3, Structure, SampleTank, Engine, Garritan, Sibelius etc all offer samples you can only use in the program that comes with it.

If you find an original Komplete 6 or 7 box with Kontakt 4 you can still convert the library, it's the same as Kontakt 5, unless your software isn't updated to work with Kontakt 4 instruments, then you can only use the samples.

 

Do you know if there is a third party converter?

 

There isn't. It's made incompatible with everything else. Third parties have been waiting for one and a half year now until they're allowed or get the format info they need, I don't know which one's the problem.

 

So I should stick with K3 library for Structure & K5 library for K5.

 

Yes, you should do that.

 

Kontakt changed its file format somewhere in the 4.0 or 4.1 or 4.2 cycle (I can't remember). Most likely, Structure supports loading Kontakt 3 patches, but now that the format has changed, the Structure people may not have updated their importing abilities to handle post-K4 patches.

You might be able to use a third-party converter, such as Chicken Systems, to get K5 patches converted for Structure.

 

K4.2 had the file format changed to binary.

 

Also Chickensystems Translator is incompatible with Kontakt above version 4.2.0
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that's why I said the Komplete 6 and 7 disks of Kontakt install the Kontakt 4 library in a format you can use. It's before 4.2.

 

can't you resave the file in 4.x, then try importing into K5?

 

That's not the problem. K5 will definitely open NKIs from all previous versions of Kontakt. The problem is that Structure sampler doesn't support Kontakt 4.2+ files.

 

News from Chickensystems: Translator 6.1, available around memorial day, will be capable of handling Kontakt 5 nki's
And it'll have a built-in autosampler as well.

 

Hopefully it won't crash constantly like chickensys programs have a habit of doing. Live to see the miracle.

 

so that's not a Mac issue huh
a crashing autosampler, that's gonna be something, lol.

 

EvilDragon... if there's an issue, let Chicken Systems know. (disclaimer, I work for them)

I use it often, I'm a tester, and due to many types of input, sometimes the program can crash. But don't complain about it on a forum, do something about it.

We ask for the source file you are trying to convert, we don't ask for crash logs but if you want to send one that's fine. The most important thing is to detail - briefly - what you are doing step-by-step so we can replicate it. Bug Reports www.chickensys.com/translator/bugreports Takes maybe 1 minute or so, no effort.

But the worst thing is to keep it to yourself, and to complain about it.

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To directly answer Polkas question...

Companies are getting wise to people scavenging factory libraries for another sampler. Often these libraries are posted on the Internet or passed around. Companies don't want their hard work (and it is lots of investment) taking their 8GB factory set (made to sell THEIR SAMPLER) and have it sell ANOTHER SAMPLER.

NI with Kontakt 5 put their factory stuff in a Player .nkx file so the samples can't get converted, probably for this reason.

So it isn't an issue with the file format change 4.2 and later, it's that NI copy-protected their factory library.

Hey, A.I.R. did it too - their factory library's samples are in the ".big" files and are copy-protected as well.

On the divergent topic... Translator www.chickensys.com can convert any Kontakt .nki and .nkm, Kontakt 1 2 3 4 5 - as long as it's not part of a copy-protected library - that is, uses .nkx's or other large file to hold it's samples. Or, put another way, it can convert anything that uses .wav or AIFF, or are those single .nki/.nkm monolith files with samples within THE SAME FILE (not the .nkx).

Structure's Kontakt reading isn't too good (and it stops at v4.1). They did it themselves and they hardly spent any time on it. At Chicken Systems we are always picking up the residue on that.

 

Chicken System Enabling Structure

Garth,

So is the answer yes, no, sometimes or maybe.

If it is yes, when will it be available, what will it cost and how do I purchase it online?


Thanks:S

 

I'm not sure what part of your question was answered yes or maybe. The Kontakt 5 factory library can't be converted. You can convert earlier Kontakt factory libraries. I can't speak for Structures ability to do this, but I do know that any issues are hardly supported, Structure hasn't been updated in years.