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A TORQ like "Ducking" feature please!

Discussion in 'Feature Suggestions' started by scamo, 27/5/11.

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  1. scamo

    scamo Administrator Staff Member

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    Hi NI,

    Looking at Torq 2.0 from AVID, I think they have something TP needs to have. That is the cross-fade "duck". This feature drops the volume of the tracks being mixed either generally by volume or even by frequency (which seems the smarter of the two choices). This results in a much more leveled mix in terms of volume.

    I've heard a couple of complaints already in the forum from other users and have noticed it myself. When you are in the middle of the crossfader with two fairly busy (loud) tracks running in traktor, there is a noticeable increase in volume. If you aren't careful with the main output levels, you may be overdriving and cliping with your mix. Not good. A TORQ like duck feature would solve this issue and I'm sure NI could come up with a better name. ;)

    There are also some other interesting features in TORQ. I've just gotten my TP2 and am loving it, but....

    Long live the competition!:) It can only help us customers.

    scamo
     
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  2. Hetchbend

    Hetchbend NI Product Owner

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    get your master volume a little lower and you won't run into this issue.

    This is with every DJ-Mixer when you put 2 songs together.
    ducking on a track will result in resampled audio. -1 from me but could be an option
     
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  3. Count Zero

    Count Zero ModerAUtor Moderator

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    Options are good. Personally I never use the crossfader but I can see the merit of choice.
     
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  4. zephry

    zephry NI Product Owner

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    cool idea and I have an option for ya.

    use the mappings and another midi controllr. like the novation nocturn with a crossfader. or maudio session
    or even the korg nanokontrol with sliders(i use this).
    you can map the crossfader to a slider, knob, fader. along with other settings fx, or freqs. and one move will do all you wish.
    I mapped the crossfader, fx on, cue play, and scratch on to one fader.
    The result was that I could cut, play a cued sample with fx and return to the othr track deck all with a slider.
    hope this makes sense.
    other options similar to a ducking or actually ducking would involve eq kills or use of the filter.
     
    zephry, 27/5/11
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  5. lethal_pizzle

    lethal_pizzle NI Product Owner

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    IMO if you've got 2 busy tracks in the mix with crossfader centred and all EQ's at 12 then you've made an error. Mind you, I'm no fan of crossfaders in general and dipped crossfader curves specifically.
     
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  6. scamo

    scamo Administrator Staff Member

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    With the master volume down to control clipping, I still get an unwanted rise in volume. It is sort of anti-climatic, when you finally get faded into the new track. Granted, I am still learning. I have done mixes without the faders, which is also necessary mixing 4 decks, but it seemed I had trouble keeping the volume at a fairly even level. It even seems I too often loose volume, which is almost worse than getting louder in the middle of the mix. I guess I have to practice.:eek:

    As for ducking causing resampling, are you sure about that? If we are talking about a volume duck and the software can control the sound card output, I highly doubt a resampling needs to happen. If we are talking about a frequency duck, then the software would add a filter to the output, so I'd venture to say, the sound data would be manipulated, before it is sent out. No resample there either. At least I don't think so. Or did you mean a reprocessing of the sound. That I'd understand, but still, a frequency duck shouldn't lower sound quality just as the FXs shouldn't and I think that is what your concern is, correct?

    I have some more ideas on this and maybe I can do some screenshot mock-ups.

    It is interesting to see the feedback to my suggestion. Keep it up.:)

    scamo
     
    scamo, 28/5/11
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  7. scamo

    scamo Administrator Staff Member

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    Ok, this is a more graphic attempt at my idea for crossfader automatization customization feature for Traktor (not just a simple "ducking"). Just throwing it out here to see what you all think.

    You can add up to 4(?) effects per personal setting, plus the volume duck effect. You can have a multiple number of personal settings.

    With this new feature you could set up the crossfader to do wild things between the decks. You could also use the mix automation (crossfader timing) to free up your hands to possibly do other great things. :) I also have idea on how to select the presets for the crossfader on the fly and also turn off the effects the fader introduced.

    But if you guys and gals think the idea is crapola, I'll stop here. Please also excuse my graphical manipulations. I am not a professional graphical artist.:)

    scamo
     

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  8. Engine77

    Engine77 NI Product Owner

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  9. scamo

    scamo Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes, I was also trying to push the suggestion, since the competition has it now.:)

    scamo
     
    scamo, 30/5/11
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  10. manoob

    manoob Forum Member

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    well done with the picture! something like that would be great!
    any one seen the djm2000 frq crossover?
    if touchscrenn was more (optional) implented in t2 you could do something like frq cross over live on your touch screen without the need of hardware!(pioneer djm 2000 use its own touchscreen for that)
    i know i go about touchscreen alot but there are a lot of good new functions it could be used for without the extra cost of more hardware.http://youtu.be/fcdcWgDi9cE
     
    manoob, 1/6/11
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  11. zephry

    zephry NI Product Owner

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    in reply to this video.http://youtu.be/fcdcWgDi9cE
    you can do this with mapping and a small controller. It will take a little time to map it out but not near the price of that hardware or space it takes up.

    i am not trying to say anyone is wrong or be smarty pants. but the features are all there you just map it out how you want it.

    really you can map a knob or slider that turns one freq down whilst turning one up.
     
    zephry, 2/6/11
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