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Ability to drag n drop any format inside kontakt(Rex files and soundfonts etc)

Discussion in 'Feature Suggestions' started by musicman7p, Feb 18, 2010.

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  1. musicman7p

    musicman7p Forum Member

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    Let me start off by saying that there are many things that you simply cannot do with kontakt "You can't do this and you can't do that". I work with a lot of soundfonts and Rex files and the one thing that aggravates me is that you can't drag n drop them into kontakt like you would with wav files. In order to load a Rex or Soundfont into kontakt you must load from the browser which slows down and hinders my workflow.

    Also you can't drag n drop NN-XT(.sxt) files. I find it weird that you can drag n drop EXS24(.exs) files but not NN-XT(.sxt) That just confuses the hell out of me


    Please.................. a note to the development team, please allow kontakt to be able to allow drag n drop from any format. As of right now you can only drag n drop wav and EXS24(.exs) files into kontakt.

    Also............................... Please allow Reason's refills as a open/loadable format to kontakt. I would like to be able to load Refills inside of kontakt. If you can partner up with Properllerhead that would be nice. THX
     
  2. David Das

    David Das Moderator Moderator

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    Refills can't be loaded into Kontakt because they use Propellerheads' proprietary and protected container system. Nothing (that I know of) besides Propellerheads' own products can crack those open.

    Good requests on the other topics.
     
  3. musicman7p

    musicman7p Forum Member

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    Well I wish the best of luck to Native instruments and Properllerehead. So many people have requested/asked "is there any other way to load refills". As long as you know its in demand and this is what the people want then its best to say "lets work together and come up with something that both sides can agree on". In the new Properllerhead's Record, they teamed up with LINE6 so my question is would why can't native instruments do the same. I worked with the NN-XT advanced sampler(In Reason) and that sampler can't even do half of the stuff kontakt can do. My suggestion was for Native Instruments to partner up with Properllerhead to mabe offer kontakt as a sampler to reason which could then allow refills as a loadable format to kontakt.

    I would use Reason but the there is so much things that NN-XT sampler can't do compared to kontakt, such as the Time-machine and scripts, modules, etc.............
     
  4. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Well-Known Member

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    My guess is I think Propellerheads would be against their format being able to load in another sampler (I would also say that it's because Kontakt is widely available on pirated sites, whereas Record has a dongle and is not cracked yet). So forget about it.
     
  5. musicman7p

    musicman7p Forum Member

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    Well I don't want to get off topic and hopefully the developers would see this. The bottom line and main point of this thread was to suggest to Native Instruments that EVERY FORMAT(that can be loaded in kontakt) should be able to drag n drop inside of kontakt I work with a lot of Soundfonts(I sometimes create my own) and I work with a lot of REX files. Like I said before, I find it weird that you can drag n drop EXS24(.exs) files but not NN-XT(.sxt) That just confuses the hell out of me. Every format should be able to drag n drop inside of kontakt


    Hmm... I don't really think so, why I say this is because I see it bringing Properllerhead more money(you can't refuse money) Sound designers would build more sounds and banks and discover more things that you could do with kontakt that you couldn't do with the NN-XT, which then leads to more ideas about the possibilities of sounds design.

    If Native Instruments has something to offer then how could properllerhead refuse
     
  6. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Well-Known Member

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    Would you care to ask Propellerheads themselves if they're willing to let NI load their refill formats in Kontakt?

    Please, make my day and e-mail them, I'm very interested in what you'll get as reply!


    It's Propellerhead's licence that NI would have to pay, and there are probably royalties involved, or stuff like that. I bet NI is not interested in doing that.
     
  7. ben_horwood

    ben_horwood Forum Member

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    I think Propellerheads would loose even MORE business this way.

    If people could just use Kontakt to open their REFILL libraries then that would damage sales of Reason measurably.

    Plus, as you have already stated, Kontakt can do SO MUCH MORE than Kontakt.
    So why would Properllerheads want to give them even more incentive to migrate?
     
  8. musicman7p

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    You mean "kontakt can do SO MUCH MORE then Reasons sampler" right?

    Well as I said before its a more of a gain on both sides, because both parties(Native Instruments and Properllerhead) are happy something. Recently Properllerhead teamed up with LINE 6 plugins(which were VST/RTA's plugins) so that the new Properllerhead Record had some decent clean high quality plugins. What I'm suggesting would be the same concept between Properllerhead and LINE6. Native Instruments could offer their kontakt sampler exclusively to Reason, which would open up the possibility of Reason users and allow them to sample and explore all the stuff in kontakt(since we all know that kontakt is so much better then the sampler in reason)
     
  9. EvilDragon

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    And how would that be "exclusive" to Reason, when Kontakt is openly available for PC and Mac platforms already?
     
  10. DBMC

    DBMC NI Product Owner

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    I am fairly new to the forum. As a newbie, I find it interesting that Musicman makes suggestions and then there is a bunch of argument of why his suggestion is not something you want.

    Let's hold off on the argument on whether or not Kontakt should support NNXT and who would benefit Propellerheads vs NI etc...

    The main point in this topic was the inconsistencies of drag-and-drop of the "supported" file types in Kontakt.

    The suggestion is "Make it consistent!" There are many inconsistencies and things that you would intuitively think work and they don't.

    I am not saying that Kontakt is a bad tool, but it can be improved upon. Hence a suggestion forum.

    The moderator also closed the thread on being able to access MP3 files. Although you might not use lossy formats, others might. Kontakt should allow you to see MP3s in browser and/or drag and drop them and at that point convert them, if you don't want to use CPU in decoding them on the fly.

    Kontakt converts other file types to WAV, so can you do it for MP3s?
     
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  11. David Das

    David Das Moderator Moderator

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    Sure, I think that's a very valid feature request. The ability to see and import lossy formats could be useful.

    I stand by the previous point made that the idea of using lossy files in realtime (e.g. a bunch of MP3's inside Kontakt's mapping editor, decompressing on the fly) is probably not possible because of the CPU hit. MP3's weren't made for that in real time.
     
  12. musicman7p

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    Yeah this should be reasonable why not convert them, instead of kontakt rejecting MP3's just convert into a usable format.

    Yes I would think if there is a genre in a forum called "Feature and Suggestions" that the developers would want to hear features and suggestions from the community but every time I make a SUGGESTION TO IMPROVE KONTAKT, it seems like my suggestions are dismissed as "Too hard to do in kontakt"

    As for the refills all you have to do is Google Yahoo answers and see how much topics are created asking "How do you load refills elsewhere without reason". This is to show you that it is indeed in demand. I don't wish to dwell on this topic anymore
     
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