ability to run vst within maschine.

I think if that is the case you should probably reevaluate some things, my man. It's a forum, lighten up...

Other than that, you seem like you probably didn't read my post word for word, what with all of this talk about opening up Reaktor. I thought I had clarified that I am merely advocating new NI-developed synthesis modules that would be BASED on Reaktor, not opening Reaktor in Maschine. There are myriad advantages to keeping it native from a programming perspective, but I really I don't have time to reiterate those advantages again.

What I ask for would make Maschine into something along the lines of an Elektron Machine Drum, what you are advocating would make Maschine into some quasi-DAW. But I have news for you, Maschine is NOT a DAW. I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about that. It is not a DAW. Period. Besides I already have a DAW, like many others on this forum do as well, so why do I want another, less-capable one?

It is actually funny to me that people are already asking for VST hosting, without first asking for more outputs, when there are VSTs that have more outputs than Maschine does at present. Wow, I can tell you have really put some thought into this...

 

Josh if you check the feature request,more outputs have been asked for many times.
No one's asking for Maschine to be a daw,IS kORE 2 A daw? nope it just handles vst/vsti support,no biggie.
Many want to produce in standalone alike the workflow in Kore,that's all,that's why people have requested it,again no biggie..

It's just a feature request, better yet DREAMS, can we dream,without you trying to wake us up to the cold hearted reality,that you know it all,you know more then the programmers,you know everything,your the best,and your reaktor modules are gonna come first?
We we're just wanting to dream man,and you had to kill the dream, thanks josh..

ATTENTION no vst/vsti support until josh gets his reaktor modules first okay FORUM members..

 

Your reply reminds me of this part of a poem by William Butler Yeats:
"But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams."

Man, I feel really bad now... Sorry, man, I really didn't mean to kill the dream...
Although, to your credit, I think you were actually able to bring more drama to this discussion than even Yeats himself could have. Bravo.

Seriously, if your dream is really to open up 'ReFX Nexus' in Maschine, then maybe you really ought to think about dreaming a little bigger...

If you have no intention of engaging in intelligent discourse/debate on this subject, then I have no intention of further engaging in it with you. If you would like to further continue the debate without engaging in these sorts of histrionics, then I would be happy to oblige. Otherwise, I've said what I needed to say...

Peace.

 

Yo if they had VST Hosting no one would need Cubase/PT ect. fam I was kidding about cussing you out. I don't make electronic music fam. I want to use Trillium M-Tron Komplete. Fruity loops is a daw yo who cares. You guys are trying to lock this thing up. This thing could be better than ableton due to the fact it was built from the ground up with the controller in mind. VST Hosting and Timestretching will allow me to use 1 program. At the end of the day that is cheaper and it is more time efficient. And last time I checked DAW stood for Digital Audio Workstation. It seems Digital it does Audio and it is a Workstation so wtf are you talking about? It's a DAW like Ableton is a DAW. That is that BS I'm talking about. Sounds like when they came out with the XBOX and Microsofts main goal was to get everyone to think it wasn't a computer. If it wasn't a computer you wouldn't need to tell everyone it wasn't. Anyway man majority rules. You will keep seeing this requested and eventually see it incorporated into maschine because it makes sense. What you are saying doesn't make sense man. Why limit what I can do because you can't deal with it. Like I said at the end of the day you don't have to let maschine see your VST folder so why do you care? That's why I said you are hating.

 

All the rest....

I'm not comparing Maschine to other DAWs, its not a DAW, its a drum maschine, if anyone knows that drum maschine should be able to control all your sounds with a midi connection, hardware or software that not an opinion its a fact, i'm just saying that the sequencer on maschine is excellent, only mpc's have may have a equal chance against it, and i've used many drum maschine.... I just find it difficult to use my external gear (sound modules), software (Kore), with maschine, i like to focus on making the beat first, not how my work environment needs to be setup, i just think being able to run vst in maschine would eliminate all the processes that most of you guess have found out with DAWs to make maschine run vst's, i wanna make music not become a computer technician, you know.... all though i know how to run maschine and vst and external gear out of logic, i just don't prefer it, i actually hate it its not fun for me, and music supposed to be fun....

 

I actually fear the loss of Machine's simplicity by adding VST's. Because there is no way to get around the fact that if Maschine loads VSTs you will have to assign outputs, assign parameters to Maschine's macros (unless this can be done very smartly, like selecting a control on the GUI which then automatically assigns it to a macro in Maschine, it will be a serious nightmare. Some VST have HUNDREDS of parameters often with very obscure names. Imagine scrolling though this, it would be insane! The way I just described would be the only sensible way to do it, but Ableton itself only got this feature as of the last update, so I'm not sure this is a simple thing to achieve...), assign MIDI channels to multi-timbral instruments, etc.
These things do not sound so simple to me within the context of Maschine's existing interface. I think it will start getting cramped and unwieldy.

IF Native can pull it off and keep it simple and easy to use, not to mention CPU-efficient and stable, then I'm all for adding VSTs to Maschine. Despite what others on here have accused me of, I'm not "hatin" on VST implementation. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying if it can't be done right, then do something else instead. I just don't want it bolted on to keep some customers happy at the expense of my own usability, especially when there are other options that can achieve a very similar final outcome, while still keeping things simple & tidy (i.e. native NI synth modules).

I just wonder at what point do NI decide to combine Kore and Maschine and finally make their own entrance into the DAW market with a new hardware-integrated DAW system that actually competes toe to toe with Live! Basically a bigger and more well-equipped Maschine-type of controller (Kommand Center? lol) married to brand new NI DAW software. I really can't believe I'm saying this... I never would have even thought this less than a year ago, but I am starting to wonder if NI aren't to that point. They are in a unique position in that they are now making their own hardware AND software, something that Ableton doesn't do. (Although it is interesting how Ableton have circumvented their lack of hardware capabilities by going the Max4Live route and allowing all hardware to come to them, as it were... For instance the new Jazz Mutant 'Mu' M4L patch for Lemur looks amazing!)

Oh, well, I guess only NI knows what NI will actually do next, and they're a somewhat tight-lipped bunch, lol.

 

you keep downplaying vsti support for the reasons stated above, vsti's could be implemented just as kore, assigning outputs like everything else in maschine nothing needs to be changed, a vsti could sit on a single pad within a group, basically you could have a whole group 16pads worth of vsti <thats what I'm talking about.

mapping knobs and filters on the GUI of the synths i dont think even kore does that (not a kore owner)

a way to add vsti is add a parameter in the browse settings and you can freely select any of your vsti's from controller that would be the most simple and effective way.

cpu efficient, if you don't have the power to host 16 vsti's then you cant so what, make do with what you can handle. this is not something that sits with maschine or how they implement vsti, it really depends on your computer specs.

regarding implementing maschine synth modules yea why not, but your suggestion cannot match high quality real sounds for those with big romplers, not every one does all synth work, vsti mainly romplers for eg i own trillian and for me its my go to bass, i might layer the sounds with a lower octave from a synth, but your modules cannot replace high quality real vsti acoustic romplers.

i don't want to see kore and maschine combined, i want to be able to use vsti , i dont need nothing from what kore does, morphing between sounds etc, thats unique to kore and its controller i do not need those functions, i like many here, want to be able to use standalone and use our vsti's (synth's/ romplers) as sound banks to further our music in a fast and efficient way (maschine way).

you need to embrace vsti within maschine as that along with time-stretch i feel will make maschine a bigger and better package.

i don't want maschine content i want to use my own be it synths or romplers.

yes i can do it in cubase but the work flow using maschine in a daw i cannot "go with the flow", the functionality in vsti mode severely disables how i work with maschine , so i would like maschine standalone to be able to do my core things when beat making , (vsti / time-stretch) is a must, then i can simply track into cubase to mix.

 

Thank you brotha. I'm 100P with you on that. If they add more groups you could use the groups for multi instruments and single channel vst in sounds. That to me would keep it extremely simple and effective. I don't think that would be hard for NI to do nor do I think it would mess up your workflow. I actually think we are half way home with Maschine. Timestretching should be done in the editing/slice windows with warp markers like ableton. And it would be crazy sampling your vsti instruments because you can make your own patches. Someone was talking about innovating well what if NI made a VSTi or something in Maschine to strip sounds from your vsti so you can edit them in Maschine? Turn it into a Maschine patch and use the Vintage settings. You guys are lucky I don't have anything to do with NI besides being a customer. This thing would be a crazy game changer.

 

Look, undoubtedly VSTs in Maschine would be extremely fun, I mean who could deny that? BUT, I personally think it would take a LONG time for them to implement it. I mean I would actually love to be proved wrong here, but I just don't see it happening quickly. That is a major revision to this product...

I hope that eventually it does happen, it would be pretty cool, however I'm getting impatient to have some native synths that I can jam out with in Maschine and I think they could throw some synth modules in there much faster than they could full VST support. I'm just sayin'...

I'm not hating, just being pragmatic. I hope you guys get what you want eventually, but I just think that in the meantime what I want would be easier/quicker to achieve. And I also hope that we all get timestretch before any of that, lol.

 

Don't fear it man, when it happens (Not if, WHEN) you can stick to not using VSTs and then both sides of the argument will be happy. Also you dont have to upgrade if you dont want to.

With VST in Maschine we would have the ultimate live electronic music tool.

 

bump

 

well stated man!

I would settle for a "bridge" between Maschine and Kore, but I, like you and many others, just would love to be able to open up a vst as a "sound" in Maschine. Just like we open other sounds and such. I imagine opening kontakt on a sound, setting the sounds to midi channels, and using it multitimbral style.

Or opening up some trillian/omnisphere goodness. Simply put, if I could open vsts in Maschine, all of my production could be handled in that "maschine way" which I would love.

Honestly I don't use my vsts as much as a want, because I still prefer Maschine's workflow in standalone, I mean it's cool as a plugin, and pretty sick when using it with Live, but still standalone remains my favorite way.

I could complete my tracks in Maschine, then export or track them into my daw when I'm ready to.

Man!

I see what Josh lee is saying about it maybe being harder to implement than putting a synth in there, but honestly we don't know. Unless we are on the dev team we don't know which one is harder to implement, they have the technology to do both, and personally think eventually they will do both.

But yeah man, you hit it on the head, and also further prove the point I was trying to make about vst hosting in Maschine not cutting into Kore sales, because they still do two different things.

 

I mean, I know KORE is something made by NI but what exactly does it do and why do we need Maschine and KORE to be combined? I humbly think combining Maschine with anything is what will make it over bloated. Keep it standalone, give me the ability to right-click on a sound-slot, browse and load up a vsti, Play something from it and call it a day. done.

What vinceprice just stated above is sick too. The least some way to open VSTi inside Maschine, load up some patches and save them as Maschine format. Sorta like how DirectWave does.

Just read a discussion between SaintJoe and Sowari in another thread and everyone seems to agree this is a needed feature. Granted, whether this VST hosting will come first or the needed sidechaining, mute/solo recording, pattern renaming, scene cutoff during changes, and other minor improvements, is up to them for they are doing the work and knows best.

 

I agree, I only mention Kore as a compromise because some say "NI already makes Kore so they won't do this" so if the only way to use vsts with Maschine is for them to somehow make it play nicely with Kore then I'm fine with that.

Kore is a vst host and a host for all of NI sounds. It has the NI synth engines built into it and allows you to morph, layer and mangle all your sounds in one spot, NI synths with 3rd party sythts, samplers, and fx.

But I agree with you, I'd rather just load up a vst on a slot and move on, would be dope!

Being able to choose a vst or internal sounds/kits, the same way = my dream Maschine!

would be dope too, highlife does this, it's a free sampler you can load vsts in and "print" the preset into I believe it's sf2 format or something.

yeah, well not everyone, but a lot of people want to see it happen. I personally don't care when what gets included, as long as progress is forward and not stopped prematurely.

It needs to happen, no questions about it.

 

I hear you bro. This we need to happen. btwn, I was been sarcastic about the whole KORE thing I read the other thread where ew was saying it might compromise their sales of KORE or something to that effect. Hence my sarcasm.

 

lol, it's all good, some folks may genuinely have that question!

yes!

let's get it!

 

+1

 

Weird, i'm sure +1'd this but Nekkron99's has appeared since then. Coincidence? lol. Anyway, yeah; +1!