Ableton Live and Bandstand?

Hi

Is it possible to use Bandstand with Ableton Live?
When yes, please tell me how.

 

Hi Vibrations,

yes, it should work just fine! I am not a Live expert, though.

do you know how to load plug-ins in general? do you have specific issues only with Bandstand? are you using VST or AU?


best,
Markus

 

The big problem if you are using Live on a Mac is that unless you have a very fast Mac with lots of ram it will take a heavy load on your CPU usage.
NI were starting to address this problem when it first came out but let it go.
Hopefully the MacIntel version will fix this!

cheers

 

Hi all,

the Mactel version will have the latest Kontakt engine underneath. users of Kontakt 2.1 and the latest AP version reported severe performance enhancements in general.


best,
Markus

 

Sorry for the late answer. I was in the hospital.

"do you know how to load plug-ins in general? do you have specific issues only with Bandstand? are you using VST or AU?"

Yes, I know how to load plug-ins.
I'm using Windows VST.

I want to use Bandstand in Ableton Live like a General Midi Modul.

 

Hi Vibrations,

got it!

when you load Bandstand as a VST plugin and you also load a MIDI song, how far do you get?

do you get patches automatically loaded in Bandstand, do you get audio output?


best,
Markus

 

Yes you can - but how successful it is I don't know yet.

I use both Live and Cubase - and I'm a relative novice. Basically I'm a guitarist/songwriter and after a long time just fooling around not doing very much I got the urge to start writing again. I'm waying up whether to stick with Cubase SE3 or Live 6 as my central DAW.

In Live6

Add a midi track - rename it Bandstand by clicking on the name tag at the top of the track
Open up Bandstand from the plug in library
If you know what instruments you want to use in Bandstand, enter them into the matrix - say piano, organ and glock on tracks 1, 2, 3 in BS.
Open another midi track - select your input source - Midi keyboard or computer keyboard.
Select the input midi channel as 1.
Select the output channel as your midi track labelled Bandstand; any notes played on your keyboard/input - will be Bandstand's piano.
Repeat for the other tracks.

At the weekend I
Worked out a rhythm track in Live using Impulse.
Laid down a 16 bar chord progression in Live via the pick up on the guitar.
Added some simple solo notes over the top.
Then added piano and organ from Bandstand.

All seemed to go well until I tried another audio take using the organ when I got some weird effects like "vibrato". It probably means that I had a monitor or something set wrongly in Live and I've not had chance to go back over it yet.
Hope that helps.

Ian

Suede Subway and the Runes

 

No, it does not.

It randomly crashes live when you load bandstand, and it crashes live 90% of the time you load it into a instrument rack. and 98% if you were lucky enough to load one instance into an instrument rack and want to load a second one in the same rack to layer instances of bandstand.

k2 or reaktor don't have these problems.

You really can't "just load another bandstand instrument" without fearing that live's window just disappears or gives you a crash dialog.

It's very annoying and just underlines the bad quality of ni's software design and implementation, which does not mean that the software doesn't sound great.

I wouldn't recommend it.

That's on a Quad Core WinXPPro machine, so maybe these are some multithreading issues.

 

I switched off multiprocessing in live, and now it doesn't crash anymore. NEW problem is that banstand can NOT be used inside of an instrument rack since it somehow locks up the audio processing loop, until you remove bandstand.

So, when live is in multiprocessing mode, bandstand will most likely cause live to crash, when not in multiprocessing mode it will not be usable in instrument racks (which are extremely useful for restricting the key range and velocity range limiting, and layering instruments), besides of preventing live to spread it's workload on multiple cores, but, positive think, id doesn't make live crash.

So, Markus, I hope you now will think a bit more about your sentence "yes, it should work just fine!". I agree, everything should work just fine, but the fact is that it doesn't. So the answer is "no, it does not work fine!". Now tell that to your customers.

Now, Markus, does this have any consequences? Of course not, but maybe there will be a bug fix release in a year or two. This just reminds me of Guitar Rig Software Edition being announced for mid November but which just got into stores last week, three weeks late. What I mean is that you guys just don't have the slightest idea of deadline commitment, remind you of the first Kontakt 2 update which came a year late.

I think I'm angry again because I know that this problem will not become fixed until mid 2007 at least.

And loading the Bandstand Library Instruments into K2 and then use them in Live is by no means an alternative, not only because of the bad browsing experience.

Markus, tell me you are going to solve the problems, please.

 

You'll be grey before that happens mate! The issues with Bandstand and Live go back to when BS was first introduced. I notified this forum about the inefficiencies of BS working within Live. Perhaps I was the only one having these problems because even though Markus said he would look into these issues he decided to let it go and nothing has been heard regarding the issues with Live since. Obviously, it was put in the too hard basket. It'll be fixed in the update...

It's been a long time between drinks is all I can say, and we're all still waiting for the Binary version.

Hopefully when it does come out it will fulfil its full potential and hopefully that day happens soon.

 

indeed, NI should fix the problem, I can`t even turn on the plugin with one core enabled.

 

does the new bandstand release fix that problem? I'm not going to install it because I fear that that upgrade will block my debugger just like the k2 upgrade did, but if it fixes the bugs with ableton I might consider doing that upgrade.

Regards,
Daniel