Absynth 4.0.2 update now available

Arrgh! You're right! There's something weird going on. I tried some of my patches and they worked. But when I make a new one to test, the bug is still there. Grrrrr!

I think I'm done with NI now! This is really disappointing and annoying. They can do their testing alone, I've had enough now. When even reported bugs that are perfectly reproducible won't get fixed... No more paid upgrades or any other NI product for me, period! Bye!

werner

 

Yeah, you're right... it does.

Hmm... I just checked the buglist. Frank reported it and it was marked as fixed. Something evidently broke here before release. Let me write Brian.

EDIT; There was a comment by Brian. The behavior's intentional. The filter and/or effect's monophonic in that case and not polyphonic; therefore it won't reset until the last held note's gone through its release stages.

ew

 

This actually makes sense to me too.. this is the way most synths work, is it not?

 

on the other hand there is still a bug - because if you switch the master module back to stereo - the mono functionality is still present.. maybe this is what is causing confusion.

 

I don't understand. It's possible to play polyphonic with the modules set to mono. Actually I often prefer the waveshaper in mono mode because it sounds different - but only with polyphony settings >1. WS mono behaves much like an amp-sim, distorting dissonant intervals more than consonant (you're a guitar player, right?). So either I can have the sound, but no properly working envelopes - or vice versa...

This "intentional" behaviour not only affects normal envelopes but control driven as well. Also it occurs at every other note with legato playing: 1st note is Ok, 2nd the env is being ignored, 3rd Ok, 4th ignored and so on. It occurs when the previous note has finished its release section, so that there's a "jump".

So, no, it doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry to say, but if this is intentional, Brian didn't think it through regarding the consequences.

werner

 

If you're talking about the 2 master modules' poly/mono switches being somewhat linked - no, that's not the problem. And I can't see why this would be a bug.

 

Yep, - same here since 2 days.
Can´t download the update here w/ 6kb/sec. It would need 6 hrs then. The website behaves very strange. "Your updates" doesn´t work at all from the homepage and the downloadspeed from the support page is unacceptable. Even so,- "already downloaded items" doesn´t work.

:-(

KB

 

I'm getting the same problems as Kay Boarder and parma. Unnacceptably slow from the support page and complete failure using the service center. This is not good. Please put it right NI.

 

hi there,

am a new A4 owner and am trying to download 4.02 update, but nothing is happening.

is the server down or something?

is the update available elsehow?

 

aaah, i see this is a long standing problem.......pull your finger out NI, you're supposed to be at the vanguard of application programming.

can you please put your website in order. what's the point in doing an update if people can't access it?

 

That's not what I was saying.. I'm only using 1 master module.. if you switch on mono say on the master filter module and then switch back to poly - you are still in mono.

 

If you make master envelopes mono the current behavior makes sense. In order to get your desired effect you have to change the number of voices to 1 - If you have it higher than one voice than the envelopes will not retrigger until it has finished the release stage - or until you've played all the voices available (I'm certain that any synth is the same) - if it was any other way then mono/poly switches on the envelopes would be useless. Yes - the fact that you can play poly while switching master modules to mono is strange but it still makes sense.. Because the AMP envelope still has to make it through the release stages in order for it to be retriggered.. And the amp envelopes are looking for how many voices are set in absynth as well.

I can have these envelopes retrigger to something like what you are looking for (I think) if I set very short release times - but you have to set the AMP release time to something short.. because if this has a longer release time than your filter or WS envelope your envelope won't retrigger until it is finished. To me it's the way it should be.

Unless there is still something I've overlooked

 

Hm, I'm not seeing this here. Tried with bandpass and comb set to "trans", fed with noise (sync granular).

But I've come across yet another "every-other-note" bug trying the above. Set the filter to mono and play some notes legato. With comb only every other note will trigger a new pitch, with bandpass it will even drop out on top of it, with a huge audio spike in the mid to high registers. Oh wait, it seems that the frequency just drops way down. No envelope involved here.

"Intentional"? Hm, I'm getting the impression that Brian is the one who doesn't get his act together - sorry to say.

werner

 

It would make some sense IF the envelopes get re-triggered after ALL played notes went through their release stage. That's not the case - every other note will re-trigger the envelopes - and it seems it affects not only the envelopes (see my post above).

The switch is not on the envelopes but on the modules. An envelope can also be control-driven (which are also affected), so why should the use of mono modules force me to play only monophonic?

The behaviour is independent from the polyphony setting - except it's "1" of course (and then the waveshaper sounds different, i.e. like in poly mode).

 

I see what you are talking about with the Bandpass example.. That definitely doesn't sound right. Try this.. add a breakpoint just after the first breakpoint in the envelope and place it where the first BP is - If I do this and play successive notes the envelope is retriggered everytime. Is that what you are looking for?

 

Yes i've the first note's bug in Ableton Live 6.0.7 with the new
AB 4 update... boring.
I'm going to test it with cubase, keep in touch

 

ew,
can you get a comment from brian about this?

 

Doesn't work here, strange... Are you sure you really played legato when trying this? Or maybe you had set the release very short? Btw. even with the shortest release I see the described behaviour when there are no gaps between the notes (which usually will be the case with sequenced MIDI).

werner

 

Hi,

some of you reported problems with downloading the update.

Please let us know if these problems still exist for you. Our IT guys just told me that everything should be working fine.

Thanks,

Henning

 

Hi Henning !

I´m just downloading the update. Server is slow and behaves wrong IMO.
The update-page isn´t accessable by using cutomized homepage and when logged in.
Using the support page -> downloads results in "Do not display files I´ve already downloaded" doesn´t work.
The download starts @ 7.5kb/sec and speeds up very, very slow to a max. of approx 100kb/sec resulting in a downloadtime of ca. 30min for the 145.1MB file.

Anyway, -I´ll get it now but it´s time wasting unfortunally.

regards

KB