Adjust Tempo Using Buttons When In Scratch Control?

Hi,

I have Stanton Str8-150 decks, which have digital motor control (like the later Technics decks). The digital control system seems to operate in discrete increments that result in a minimum change of around 0.1-0.15 BPM. Whilst this is pretty close for decent beat matching, it can be frustrating when a v small change in the fader is not reflected in the tempo. I usually get round this by setting the pitch as close as possible and then make the incoming record just a touch faster, since it is easier to slow the record. However, it would be nice to have finer control. The easy way to get round this would be if traktor respected the tempo range in scratch mode (allowing 2 or 4% control). However, it seems to ignore this preference.

Alternatively, it would be great if it were possible to nudge the offset a very small amount using a couple of mapped buttons. Unfortunately, the current version of traktor ignores incremental changes to the tempo once it has entered vinyl control (I have a feeling that an older version did apply these changes to the offset)?

I've tried a few workarounds to get round traktor's refusal to allow direct access to the tempo control. For example, using the the invert control trick to map a button that simultaneously disables and decrements the tempo, reenabling scratch control on release.

I'm kinda out of ideas, so I would welcome anybody's suggestions for a workaround that might be able to achieve this?

Thanks,

James

 

You are right, older version of traktor were able to manage the turntable pitch and the "virtual" pitch at the same time. I think we lost it around 1.2.4 or the one before that.

The only way to make traktor accept a "virtual" pitch change is to sync the turntable controlled deck to another one, or to the master. But this wont help you much since once tempo synced you would still be dependent on your turntable pitch adjustment.

 

no this was until version 1.2.7 and in pro 2 this was removed

 

IIRC, this still works when in relative playback mode... or not? i would have to test it.

 

I only ever use relative mode, so this seems to be broken/fixed, depending on your outlook!

J

 

If this is supposed to work in relative mode it would mean it's a bug that has been here for a few revisions already.
I'd love for this to be an unreported bug I used to find that feature great, untill it went missing without a noise....I mean without it being mentioned anywhere in traktor's documentation.


Could you look into it Freshfluke ?

 

nope does not work, only works in internal mode

 

no, it's a known thing... but the priority was set to "minor"... but i think this was useful, too.
i put the respective bug number on my watchlist and will try to raise this again.

 

Thanks !
It comes in very handy sometime to be able to do some transition between genre, like slowing a 125 bpm loop down to 96 or so. Something undoable with ±8 pitch.

 

+1 from me.
Thanks!

J

 

didn't you say at some point that it was almost impossible for the developers to add the internal pitch setting with time codes due to the enhanced features in traktor pro 2 ?

 

not exactly. it's indeed a technical problem to bring back the internal pitch fader.
however, making use of the pitch bend buttons is sth different.

 

Well I can't talk for the other people, but i can indeed use the "pitchbend" commands when using timecode. In fact i can also use the "scroll thru track" commands when using timecode vinyl, and it great to be able to do so. The one missing being the tempo fader

 

ya but in relative mode the pitch bend works just fine but not in absolute mode.

but in 2.0.3 if you are in absolute mode and touch the pitch bend buttons, it switches to relative mode.

So here we go again yet another bug in 2.5.1.

 

Yes, because in absolute mode the position of the needle on the record exactly mirrors the position of the playhead on the computer. If it didn't (to use your example of pitchbending the software), then you'd no longer be in absolute mode anyway, as the needle/laser would be 'offset' from or, to use another term, relative to the playhead...

 

as i said in 2.0.3 it switches to relative mode when pitch bending witch is normal but it does not do that in 2.5.1 hence it's a bug

 

My bad. OK, so basically nothing happens at all and it remains in absolute? Interesting. You could alway macro together the playback to relative mode command with your pitch bend buttons until it gets fixed.

 

It's not a big deal at the moment because I don't use absolute mode that much, but I can just use my mouse to click on relative mode if need but yes I would like the bug to get fixed a.s.a.p. and by macro you mean us e a modifier ? or is macro something else ? and yes it does remain in absolute mode when I use the pitch bend buttons.

 

i did not deny that! see what i wrote just a few postings above:

it's a known thing... but the priority was set to "minor"... but i think this was useful, too.
i put the respective bug number on my watchlist and will try to raise this again.

 

nope, macro means you assign 2 (or more) controls to the same button.

you would assign the commands for "relative mode" and "pitch bend up/down" both to the same button. if you're in absolute mode a lot this would be a useful workaround, however as said above, i'll try to find out why the priority was set to minor.