AET feedback?

I admit that the exact process of morphing is not clear to me. Anyway, the makers of Samplemodeling themselves say that the aforementioned problems are the big hurdles in morphing too, and maybe morphing and crossfading are not so different methods in the end. Certainly they need a proper definition, which is to my knowledge not entirely the case.

I read about the superiority of Samplemodeling over AET, your statement only supports this. But it will take some years until Samplemodeling will have only half the orchestra, it would be nice to have an alternative to them with AET, using already available sample libraries. It looks like there is no alternative yet, we have to wait for more SM instruments.:|

 

I think that the choir samples are preprocessed in order to get better results from AET.

What that preprocessing involves, I am unsure of.
But I'm currently doing some experimenting of my own.

 

good, I'm looking forward for the results.

 

Me too!

 

I have the chance to currently test Kontakt4 and AET is the most interesting thing to me as well.
It took a while for me to get it working even with the manual.
But it seems to work alright now. I don't exactly have golden ears but to me the results using some orchestral brass samples arent't unusable.
If i use an ff layer as basis and impose mf frequencies on it the result might sound a bit artificial compared to the real thing but i certainly don't hear any distortion.
Sure, if i use an mf layer as basis and impose ff frequencies on it it sounds like crap most of the time.
But why would i need to do that if it works so much better the other way around?

Overall i think i like the AET filter. The handling is a bit cumbersome but the results seem to beat using a eq wich was what i did before.
Surely worth spending more time with.

 

Hello uselessmind,

thank you for your experiences. I'm glad I hear about some useable results because I bought Kontakt just because of AET too.

I'm looking forward to try your method, my "common sense" has told me that the other way would work better, since you have to ADD some frequencies to get the ff-sound. But maybe the filter is designed to work subtractively.

Would you mind to share your results?

 

what I have gathered from reading in forums, you simply have to select all layers, and right-click to choose 'velocity AET'. Then, in the AET view, you can change the velocity input to breath or mod wheel or whatever you like.

If a ff-layer is played, it can be morphed until pp, and if a pp layer is played, it can be morphed until ff. It seems rather simple for already layered sample sets. Of course one has to determine (and delete/adjust) double and overlapping layers.

Is that correct? I'm a bit confused what 'uselessmind' has written.

 

Ok, here are some sound examples from my first steps with aet.
Nothing polished or finetuned, just the result of me trying to understand how aet works.

I used Sam Trumpets for this, first a staccato patch converted from giga to halion to kontakt...
It originally has two velocity layers, p and f.

This is how it sounds:
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_stac_orig.mp3

only the p layer as a reference point:
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_stac_ref_p.mp3

the results of using the p freqs on the f layer:
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_stac_000.mp3

the result of using the p frequencies as well as frequencies from the sustain mf and sustain mf layers on the original f staccato samples:
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_stac_001.mp3

same without velocity controlling volume:
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_stac_002.mp3

some rough tests on sustain samples:
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_sus_001.mp3
http://tilorenner.homepage.t-online.de/aet_test/aet_test_sus_002.mp3

So far i think its not that bad though in some places it doesn't sound quite right . One drawback is how little direct control there is about how and when the layers "morph". Using more sources (maybe even from other libs) for aet layers should help but it is rather cumbersome.
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I did try the "auto add aet velocity morph" and while it was simple and worked in principle the problem was that adding frequencies to a layer didn't always sound right. So i didn't look further into it. Deciding myself when to add and when to subtract frequencies makes more sense to me, even though its much more work.

 

I think your sustain examples are very impressive, certainly far better than my french horn. Following what someone said, I tried morphing the p samples onto the ff samples instead of the other way round, and surprisingly it sounds a lot better. A lesson there for me - try morphing both ways.

I've made an mp3 of this but don't have a website so don't know how to post it. No audio attachments are allowed in the forum, and there's a very good reason for this. If the moderators or anyone else can tell me what it is, I'll be very interested to hear. (1Mb of mp3 or Ogg gives around a minute of quite decent sound, so it can't be file size). (incidentally what are tks and tsi?)

I would be very interested to hear more results from peoples' experiments. It's particularly helpful to hear the individual virgin sounds before they're morphed, as well as the result of morphing them.

Stephen

 

Interesting to hear those trumpets examples. I'm not blown away but it seems to work well enough to improve what i can do in previous versions of Kontakt.

Thanks for posting.

P.S. I wonder why ididn't get any email notification. Again!..

 

If you send it to me I can host it. I tried to send you a PM but it did not work. You can send it to

info @ strings-on-demand . com

(remove the spaces)

 

Hi, this is the file stephen22 sent me:

http://www.strings-on-demand.com/demos/AETexamples/horn2.mp3

He wrote:
"This 31sec file contains samples from an EWQLSO french horn.

The mf sample
The ff sample
morphing ff on to mf
morphing mf on to ff

Morphing is modulated by cc#7, same as volume (reversed in the second example)
Smoothing seemed to make no significant difference, and I think was minimum."

 

Are there AET factory presets that I am missing?

 

I am asking because I can't get the AET filter to apply because of the note overlap. I figured there were preset maps that could be added to the AET filter.