after a week with the maschine mk2 and maschine software a conclusion

workflow is something that is generally valued more by people that are putting together complete productions, and valued less by hobbyist beatmakers.

a good workflow adds a lot of efficiency to a production. it also adds quality control. finding a workflow that incorporates a wide variety of software and hardware and makes them work together is not easy. and when a software upgrade significantly changes some fundamental behaviors of the program, without notice, and that upgrade breaks a workflow that may have taken a long time develop and refine... well that can be a tad frustrating.

your suggestion to go back to 1.8 or start over with another software/hardware system is easy to dismiss, especially when people have spent thousands of dollars on maschine. that, combined with the insulting nature of your post.

 

So firstly let me say I already apologised for being unduly harsh (did you read that?), so give me a break.

"Your suggestion to go back to 1.8 or start over with another software/hardware system is easy to dismiss, especially when people have spent thousands of dollars on maschine"

You are editing my suggestion to suit your own purposes, I've stated 3 options:

1) Go back to Maschine 1.8
2) Spend time learning Maschine 2
3) Buy another product and learn that.

So you spent $1000's of dollars of your Maschine, so what so did we, what makes you more important than me here (are you moaning now that it is too expensive, if so why did you buy it?), and how does that get you away from these 3 points?

If my point is "so easy to dismiss", then surely you must have a 4th alternative to suggest out of my 3 points?

You say there is "broken workflow", so I am asking you exactly what is broken with Maschine 2 workflow?, I don't see anything "broken" with workflow at all, if you've got broken workflow let's see it, let's see what you don't know how to do any more...

I think what you are really trying to say it that "it used to work this way and now it doesn't", in other words the workflow has changed, if so may I kindly refer you again to point 2 (what I said right at the beginning as well). You probably don't want to change your workflow either because you feel like you are wasting your time (but why should we care, either learn it or don't bother, up to you! You have the 3 choices, or just deem it "broken" and walk away).

All this should be obvious, if you are going to bitch about something then bitch about something more specific.

The points highlighted in bold are what you should respond to in specific detail rather than rehash what you've already said. Maybe Ni should never makes changes to it's software because it's not convenient to you?

Or alternatively just say something generalistic again which dances around the heart of the matter or use some sort of deflection tactic so you don't have to answer... say something like "why should I answer your questions" or something, that generally does the trick... or just say my point was "garbage" without further explanation.

If you are gonna moan, moan about the specifics or not at all....

Thankyou...

 

Firstly you create an imaginary scenario that is ludicrous, then attribute it to the poster you are debating with... Very intellectual.

You then dismiss everything he /she said with a "people always say this" statement, which is kinda rude, as well as the garbage comment, which is very rude. So the poster doesn't like some of the changes, maybe it's because it's different, maybe it's because it takes longer to do certain tasks now.... And believe me there are many things from navigation through to copying patterns, to batch midi settings etc that take more button pushes (or mouse clicks) in version 2. These things have been a subject of numerous threads and many of us are slightly surprised and mystified because they destroyed the swifter more intuitive workflow that Maschine had been building up over it's development cycle.
It's not about being against change per se, but rather that some of the changes have made simple tasks more convoluted. Ni are aware of this, and have alluded to the fact that this first iteration is just a basic building block that they will improve upon greatly in due course.

You then put words in the posters mouth again and tell us what they "really mean" The arrogance of this is breathtaking. Your assertion that "So in order for people like you to have an easy ride there should be no changes to the workflow, even though these changes may make the workflow more intuitive or better (something you are finding tricky right now because you aren't as familiar with it as 1.8)." is misguided. That is not what the poster said or wants. See my above points as to what they were probably alluding to.

So yeah IMO your post was more garbage like than the one you were commenting on.
Great tune by the way, and the visuals were clever and entertaining.

 

And by the way insulting another forum users mental capacity is also rude, and I did not appreciate it. Your social skills lead me to believe you're well up on the spectrum.:|

 

i wont jump through your hoops and reply to what you have placed in bold but i will say that your three "options" are completely obvious to everyone and therefore unnecessary for you to outline... unless of course you are just wanting to be condescending and/or irritating.

and i'm not going to waste any time reiterating workflow problems to someone that showed up late.

 

Spazzoo - Obvious? Somebody said my points were stupid. Late? I was poster 12. Well at least its gone from garbage to obvious now. And of course you won't going to answer! That would require a discussion!

Dredd thank you finally a decent response. Your points were clear and well put. I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

Look I'm sorry I come off as condensating and I apologise again . At the same time if people don't lay down the specifics of their issue it really is just listening to someone moaning.

This talk about professional vs amateur workflow for instance. Professionals have to change their workflow and overcome whatever hurdle is placed in front of them. How you deal with it is what make somebody good or bad at their job.

And these comments really stemmed from some people coming up with a lot of generalistic sweeping statements. But really no substance, and when queried my points were either stupid or obvious... Certainly never addressed. You did though Dredd, intelligently written without going so far as mud slinging... Thankyou.

 

Anyway where's Harold?

 

there is nothing to answer.

1) go back to 1.8, 2) learn maschine 2.0, 3) buy another software.

those choices are completely obvious. they offer no value. i don't know how else to explain it. and by late i mean Dec 2013.

i'm done responding to you so take care.

 

Singing with the angels.

 

what is the significance of this fictional harold character? any relation to jimmy stuthers?

 

my guess is harold is the dancing skeleton in the video

 

Well sorry everybody again....

At the end of the day casting everything aside this really is a "Maschine 1 is better than Maschine 2" thread right?

From what I can see MIDI batch settings have gone - is there a real issue here or is there an alternative way? From what I see this could be a real issue (yes I looked into this deeper).

Other than that what else is wrong with Maschine 2 compared to Maschine 1?
I certainly found 5 or so improvements that I think should be made with Maschine version 2 which I think should be sorted (that was in another thread).

 

Harold Wilson ...... Hes real! Hes the one that started this thread! But he has mysteriously disappeared? Obviously after his week with Maschine he has decided to go back to politics?

 

He's gone on to a much better place.

Just kidding. I don't know where he is.

 

no. he's still here.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wilson

(Hark the Harold Angel Sing).

 

There he is.

 

Look, this is definitely not the same type of software than Logic.

For one, it's not a DAW. It is a sampling / beat making tool. Yes you can make full songs with it, but do not expect the same workflow than in apps such as Logic or even Cubase. It is a different type of tool with a different purpose, and therefore a different way of using it.

I would say: keep at it and embrace the change. Or don't , sometimes it's just not the right tool for you. Always try before buy!

 

thanks guys for the positive feedback on this...
I've just spent a week away from it ( and the forum) just to clear my head as its full of a multitude of other software and I am going to make a positive effort to get back into it..
ttytt i seem to have had a total brain melt down with software in general..
maybe the week off has cleared the slime away... what a weird feeling of pure emptiness and the inability to work anything...
will keep you guys informed with my progress..
thanks again

 

not a likeness but thanks...