akai and ableton come with product to rival maschine maybe?

Been hearing that ableton and akai teaming up to come up with something to rival maschine. How do you feel about that? Live 8 was giving me crashes crazy. I'm a huge fan of ni produts, but I think ableton has a bit better customer support. As a long time customer, I was shoced that the better business bureau of los angeles gave ni an F. Did anyone read that?

 

some organisations they have a vision,
but most organisations, they simply copy ideas of others.

in my opinion, the stap from "we can do everything" to "let's make everything intuitive" is a very logical step.
NI was very early with that, Maschine is a very futuristic product, and I expect ableton to create something like it (probably with more functions on it, because Ableton can do a lot NI cannot do).

If possible, I will never buy Akai again (after waiting for 6 months to have a new fader on my APC 40 and extremely bad service)

 

here it is...

considering what i've read about NI's customer service on here, it seems well deserved

 

im just so suprosed all the other companies have been so slow footed to provide and viable alternatives to the runaway success ni has had with maschine.

 

NI just did what Akai should've done, i guess they are still tearing their hair over in Cumberland

of course now they have to come with something better than Maschine or at least with something similar at a better price to grab a share of the market - not so easy i guess...

 

What does that even mean? What can Ableton do a lot of that NI cannot do?

 

Maschine is just as much an evolutionary product as anything that Akai and/or Ableton could possibly come up with pretty fast IMO. Its certainly not future proofed enough that NI can sit back and not continue on the path they seem to be on.

Abes only problem is that they were in new feature mode for way too long and didnt focus enough on bug proofing which they seem to be rectifying now.

 

bring it on, new products are good for everyone, maschine took my attention away from akai and ableton, if they come with something nice then I would most likely buy it and try it out

I don't get attached or devoted to any one company, I'm just a gear head like many of us, I use what's best for my workflow, or I use multiple items together, whatever let's me have fun and create the music I want.

They will have to do a lot to top what NI is doing, but competition is always a good thing in the end. It's not like no one expects others, especially akai/ableton to do something.

 

Is Akai even in the running? Their niche seems to be hardware controllers designed to work closely with existing and well established software. The MPC should already have been redesigned as a unit which is both a standalone sampler and sequencer, but also interfaces like an APC. Think of the possibilities of designing a live set on PC with a MPC unit, then transferring the set to the MPC to perform at the club. Missed opportunity Akai. But Akai aren't listening to the MPC people.

 

integration with DAW is much easier for Ableton than it is for NI
Reason.... Ableton blocks integration for NI

 

yeah but that is exactly what anybody wanting to compete with ni on a serious level are going to do, if akai doesn't do it, then they are idiots, what fortyfive said is the only thing keeping many many mpc users from even trying maschine, maschine could come with the actual soul of james brown in it and allot of beat heads wouldn't care because they don't want to even know that there is a computer in the room. The computer that is the mpc is as close to a computer as allot of cats want to get, can't knock'em for it either

 

How so? Can Ableton Live run as a plugin in DAWs? Can you drag and drop audio/midi from Live directly into DAWs?

What do you mean by this?

 

So Ableton can integrate... with itself?

 

I have noticed the one of Akai's latest products being ableton live orientated. but I think Akai lost out when they seem to abandoned the attempt to intregate the MPC with software.

NI seen the opening and jetted for it.

 

a maschine and a decent laptop with an audio interface is 10 times better than an MPC by itself and a lot smaller. Why MPC heads would view the laptop as a problem is beyond me. You have more of everything: ram, rom, screenspace to see what you're doing...it's a no brainer for any mp head who tries the maschine. It's also more future proof than a mp because you can just update one part of it: the controller, the audio interface, the computer, the software, etc. etc. So I can fault an MP user who insists on living in the past and not wanting to deal with a computer. I would understand it better if an mp user just feels more comfortable with what he's used to. That makes sense.

 

Yea, I frequent the mpc forum, and some guys over there (like 2-3) started bashing the MPC and saying Maschine was the way to go, lmao needless to say......they were not met with friendly open arms.

but I understand what you are saying, some people I have seen who are both MPC & Maschine users said that majority of the MPC loyalist do it because of familiarity while some feel that any beats made without the mpc isn't "hip-hop" lol.

But hell, at the very basics machine, mpc, etc. etc. are just tools. and most craftmen/women like using the best tool's which allows them to manifest their talent's the best.

 

depends on how familiar you are with the mpc, most of the great music that's been made on an mpc has nothing to do with the 'pros' that you listed about a computer set up and just my opinion of course but I'd dare say that none of the classic music that you love that was made on an mpc would sound the same if it was made on maschine and that's not even an mpc vs computer thing, that's just a musician vs instrument thang

but back to the subject at hand, prefuse73 hasn't sounded right since he gave up his mpc, not that it matters unless you're him but what I'm saying is that writing music on maschine and writing music on an mpc is different, if you're making techno or house or any genre where not a damn thing changes during the whole song then maschine will outshine an mpc just about every time (not including that deep dirty detroit ****) but if you make anything organic, that fluctuates, ebbs and flows and mutes then the mpc still has the edge. the last thing you should think about when you're writing a song is whether you're in the past or the future, that has got nothing -to-do-with-everything, again just my opinion........ I love my maschine but my mp aint goin nowhere.

 

If you have really delved into the MPC and made beats with the MPC workflow, then more power to you if you think that the Maschine is 10 times better. But if you are kinda familiar with the MPC and comparing the superficial specs between it and the Maschine, then that comparison is uninformed. The workflow isn't visible, you either feel it or you don't. Prefering either box is fine just so long as you have had the chance to get the MPC vibe and then make your choice.

 

I would disagree with the ebb and flow comment EXCEPT for the lack of stand alone tempo change. how ever I do notice a slight difference in how I compose on my mpc vs. my maschine. either way this is moot. the point here would be more to the ends of what would the akai/ableton mpc hybrid thing act like. I would bet it would act closer to the apc but with screens on it like maschine so you don't have to look at a monitor at all. or maybe it goes the opposite direction and has ableton in a stand alone hardware unit. like an apc40 that doesn't need a computer at all (but could still talk both ways when your in the studio near a computer)

that would be the logical step in my opinion.

 

I don't see Numark as the type of company that is competent enough to come up with a solution to rival Maschine at this point. They don't have the love or integrity to pull it off even if they tried. NI is going full speed ahead with Maschine and by the time other companies get close I feel NI will come even stronger.