akai and ableton come with product to rival maschine maybe?

Utter bollocks.

 

@ flux and B-righteous- I totally agree with what both of you said, if the next competitor doesn't bring it and at least make it possible to use their unit without the computer then i don't see how they're gonna surpass ni/maschine, it's possible but hard to imagine and without the love i totally agree they wouldn't be able to pull it off.

at noiserot... dude you don't even have a ****in clue about what I'm talking about so how can you judge what i'm saying?
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the others get it.

 

The reason why most MPC heads don't want to make the change, is because of the sound that the MPC Produces, its like no other. I was a MPC user for most of my production career, and I can tell u tht maschine has nothing on the MPC when it comes to sound warmth, and punch. The only problem I ever really ran into with my MP was, getting that MPC sound in the computer, for mixing. I've been saying for years that akai should of did what NI did, but they didn't, because they don't listen to their community of users. I can honestly say tht if akai finally did try to do a NI maschine type of software integration, I would probably get it. When Im on maschine I just don't get that same feel I once got from my MPC2kxl.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Yes I see you laughing noiserot. And while ceasdamonsta is talking about the MPC2kxl, I can state that the MPC2500's lo fi sound with default eq and comp is pretty addictive. Its hard not to hear the technically more correct sound of a computer sampler and feel its lame compared to the MPC. I now also have a MPC5000 and use it differently to the 2500 because the output has a different character again. These differences mean I have to keep every piece of gear, I *cannot* replace either MPC with Maschine.

Laughing at a meaningful difference to someone else's ears is not very mature...

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

I just sold my mpc 2500xl ´cause all it was doing was collecting dust...No point keeping gear that is expensive and i´m not gonna use,at least gonna use less and less as maschine gets better and better....

 

mpc, maschine or whatever are just tools not a religion ...
if akai/ableton works on another maschine's rival I think it's good thing;
Competition is good and help to improves product and so it always benefits to the end user.
anyway I hope NI will improve maschine with better integration with DAW in plug-in mode.

 

exactly

 

i agree they're all just instruments but it's only on forums like these that you find knuckleheads claiming that one instrument makes another redundant, you try some **** like that on a guitar, bass, or drum forum and cats will know right off that you're not a musician. add to that that maschines sound is dependent on whichever particular soundcard the user has and those nonsensical statements make even less sense. none of the mpc's in the whole mpc range make even themselves redundant so how is maschine going to do that, it's just rediculous. you notice that none of the mpc cats are saying that the mp makes maschine redundant
haha that's cause they know better, but as you can see some mofos swear they be on some future ****..... they went out bought maschine and fired the band, bought ableton and got rid of the dj, went to the show and twisted the cut-off on a filter knob and called that a performance, then came here to boast and brag about it all.
you played yourself homie. i guess some are just insecure and for that one cat I'm talking to and I'm only talking to one person here and you know who you are, how are you not embarrassed to go on a public forum and tell people that the other instruments they have are redundant, .... just because we play more instruments than you

 

lol, yall crazy son lol...

ha...I say bring it on, I'll go get that joint if it's tight lol

 

haha you know what I'm sayin Joe, dude makes me laugh- hey don't take it personal whatchamacallit umm noiserot I'm just playin with you but serious about music. I hear you, maschine is the only thing you need in your life, do you!

saint joe what's your opinion of bpm these days since the update, do still work with it or do you find yourself not really using it?

I know if ableton comes out with a maschine rival I most certainly will check it out, even if they partner with akai which I wish they wouldn't cause akais customer service is nill

 

Somebody is insecure. :lol:

 

I don't understand what was so funny about what I said.

 

the update wasn't really much to write home about, I don't use it at all anymore after I bought it, glad I got it for a good deal lol. It's just not mature enough, great concept but the software isn't where it needs to be even for basic things, especially sample editing. There was a lot I liked about it, but it's not worth the frustration, I just use uvi or mach five to access all my motu/uvi sounds including the bpm library.

 

hahaha some funny **** going down in this thread

when dude is talking about a lo fi 2500 or mpc has a sound like no other im thinking dude is refering to the a/d and d/a conversion which gives the mpcs a certain sound.

but i would not describe it as lo fi, the units that have a plus coloured sound are the mpc60 and the 3k.

but if u know what ur doing u can get a good sound on the maschine that will be pretty much the the same as the newer mpcs.

also the comment about prefuse sound changing after the mpc, this can be true cos a producers sound can change depending on the meduim he is expressing his creativity.

like u listend to madlib on the 303 and his sound from jaylib onwards still dope still madlib but it aint got the same depth and weight as the sound he had on the 1st lootpack album.

so there is some truth in there but different terminology but the closest to a standalone unit with computer control that was actually out was the sp606 they need to revisit that concept cos they was on the right path and price point.

 

that joint would have been dope if they really developed it man, still don't know why they let that go! Right price like you said and right size!

 

As both an MPC and Maschine user....I would love to see Akai create a similar product. The Akai MPC 4000/5000 are much better samplers and sequencers than Maschine. Maschine doesn't come close to the sample and sequencer editing tools that these MPCs have. Read the NI feature request threads for details.

Akai hardware and sequencing plus Ableton's Sampler combined into a product similar to Maschine...is a match made in heaven.

 

I think its a great Idea for many reasons:

1. Competition is always good for the client.
2. I like Ableton.
3. It would force NI to make Maschine a full featured DAW to compete with ableton + its hardware, so I would never have to use anything else to make my Jams besides either Maschine or Ableton depending on what my preference would be at that point.
4. More options to musicians of all walks.
5. They would sell Maschine full suite like ableton but the difference being Maschine would come with Komplete 8, therefor on that end Ableton wouldn't be able to compete.
6. All of the above multiplied by 10.
7. I Win flawless victory!

 

I'm with SaintJoe on this one as I agree competition is a healthy thing.
Find what works for you and if that means using multiple pieces of equipment to enjoy oneself if you are an overindulgent gear junkie or can get by on one piece is fine.

My alternative arrives on Friday. Arturia Spark is an interesting albeit French take on drum synthesis and control at a sensible pricepoint.
I said many months ago that certain companies have decided that they want a slice of the pie and we can expect a few more choices.

DSI Tempest is another one I have preordered thru Sweetwater and should be in around late August. An analogue/digital hybrid for 2000 usd.

Korg Kronos hooked up to operate as plug in inside Maschine is another option for sequencing/ sampling studio/live nirvana.

Beat Thang have been touting there Beat thang HW for nearly two years.

There are plenty of options and lets not forget about Rob Papen's PUNCH at end of May.

Cheers