akai and ableton come with product to rival maschine maybe?

I have Kronos on pre-order. It is reported to have the same/similar sequencer of OAYSYS and/or M3 which from what I can tell is far superior to what we have in Maschine.

What benefit would you get using it inside Maschine versus using it standalone or as a plugin in a DAW?

 

I also have the Kronos 88 key model on preorder thru Sweetwater.
Unlike most workstation sequencers, the Kronos’s Track Data Map can show the status of all 16 MIDI tracks, all 16 audio tracks and the Master track simultaneously.

Whether you want to view this info from another DAW , laptop, I think integrating it with Maschine will be able to mute/solo thru the pads and if you don't want to use the samples from Korg you can use Club V or whatever. I think song structure with scenes in Maschine would be easier to view and use.

Kronos only has a 8 inch TFT. I have microsampler and micro xxl and find the editor software to be practical but not complete.

Kronos can import wave, aiff and soundfont but also akai libraries

Maybe to let one be the drum Maschine and the incredible sounds from Korg enhance the experience.

I mean it will be still nice to use say Sylenth, Massive, Nexus 2 as a vst placeholder within Maschine but the added value of syncing the most incredible workstation.

The massive polyphony from Kronos into Maschine should not be a strain on CPU as it is being sent from Kronos own soundcard and SSD. Retrieval of sound without the bottleneck of RAM/ Bandwidth.

By July I will certainly find out how compatible it will be.

Perhaps you have other ideas and I would love to hear from you.

Cheers

 

Yes DirtyMind, I have been eying everything you mentioned, especially the Kronos when I first saw it at namm, it sounds amazing.

Tempest sounds amazing too and is fun, and Spark is definitely a different tool all together, straight up drum machine but their controller really looks AND feels like a hardware drum machine, really a quality unit.

I definitely also like the idea of opening Kronos as a plugin in Maschine and offsetting the processing of sounds from my PC to the Kronos.

keep us posted.

 

Nobody on this thread has disagreed with the rather obvious idea that competition is a good thing for everyone. Many people have just expressed doubt that either Numark or Ableton would be able to put out something that could compete with Maschne.

Punch is just software and not something that could be compared to Maschine.

 

I have been thinking and typing and deleting. This is the thing. I love my Maschine it's dope. Let's be real though. Ableton has been around for a while now. If they wanted to tear NI a new Ahole they definitely could. They have a flagship DAW they have stuck with for years. If you don't realize they could take things out and make a completely different version of live you are crazy. Will they? Who knows. I know if I owned that company I would take one of my partners by the name of Akai and make some **** you would kill someone to get. I don't think everyone knows computers but they have enough code to start a war with NI. They have timestretch sidechain muticore support multi instruments. All they need is to slim down Live and make a controller. Let's be real who has a better sequencer? Who has better VST support? Now like I said I love my Maschine but I ain't sponsored by NI I'm just keeping it real.

 

yep!

like I said, competition is good, especially for us as end users.

 

competition would be great, I hope tons of devs come outta the woodwork with other takes on maschine cause it will only make ni work harder. I love maschine though, I would probably check out abletons version if they put one out cause I'm a die hard ableton user as well but at the same time I like maschine and abletons current workflow, I'm not really lookin to jump ship for anything else unless they cut the cord from the computer, outside of that option I almost have everything I want in mashine right now minus a few extremely important caveats but I know ni will get there.

 

i aint been interested in equipment since i got maschine

just got a midi keyboard and maschine and i can just focus on doing music its so quick and convenient.

i aint even checking for other companies im happy with the feature set of maschine it pretty much does all i require

 

You make 8 inches sound small. That is massive for guys like me that did editing on workstations with 2x4 inch screen

I haven't considered the benefits, if any, of using Kronos as a plug-in within Maschine...I haven't yet tried to use my Fantom G as a plug-in with Maschine. But I may have to explore these options.

 

sorry but I gotta laugh at people talking about mpc 2000xl and later as sounding special. smh... I have done EXTENSIVE testing with em... and that is a placebo effect. I have done double blind tests the mpc does NOT sound very different at all, and certainly not "better" (which in audio is an opinionated term). I am excited to see what all the companies have on offer. it's only better for us.

 

Unless the Fantom G has a plug in editor then it won't work as a plug within Maschine.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also Arturia Spark will hook up via midi to the Analogue Laboratory which comes with 3,500 sounds from the cs 80, jupiter, moog etc.

So for it;s first incarnation it is not bad. These are the things that will keep other manufacturers on top of the game.

Elektron is about to implement midi sequencing onto Octatrack.

Who knows what NI have in store for V2 Maschine but I think were in for exciting times.

Cheers

 

My two cents about MPC sound......MPCs do not ALL sound the same. This is from personal experience and testing I have done myself. I went as far as to do blind testing with the MPC 2500 and 3000 enlisted the help of other "MPC-fanatics." The results were no clear cut preference for either....surprisingly.

With that said, I believe any debate whether an MPC sounds better than Maschine (or vice versa) will be subjective especially since Maschine will sound as good/bad as the audio interface of your computer. However (another debate), an MPCs sequencer just has something special going-on. Whether its the swing or the way it quantizes your MIIDI...it just comes out right. Even my mistakes turn out decent and have never been able to easily duplicate the results with any other sequencer to include Maschine, Fantom, Pro Tools, Logic, etc. The MPC 2000 (IMHO) is probably the most solid of them all in terms of simple MIDI recording. This is my personal opinion that some will agree or disagree and that is ok.

@DJDirtyMind
All the major highend workstations and sound modules that I am familiar with have plug-in capabilities..to include the Fantom G. I just never bothered with it..

 

I agree. MPC models sound slightly different. The 3k is a straight ahead 16 bit sound but has a very subtle color and bottom end that I like. The 60 a nice lo-fi 12 bit sound. 2k xl has muddy high end and a pronounced mid range but keeps the low end in tact.

Of all, the 2500/1k just don't add any good character nor do they give back the full range of the sample you feed it. Too me they diminish the detail and low end response a bit. IMO Maschine can produce a better sound than those models. The 4k and Maschine is a more even comparison. Both transparent 24 bit sound based on what samples you feed it. Of course as stated, Maschine will only sound as good as your D/A monitoring chain you listen to it on. All just subjective opinion.

It would be nice if Live was slimmed down with a nice controller to compete with Maschine. It's the slimming down part that would be the challenge though. Live is kind of like everything and the kitchen sink and does not have the focus like Maschine. I still doubt they will be able to deliver on the workflow and speed and think it would be a big mess.

 

If Ableton & Akai do put something out... I hope its bus powered, I hope it doesn't hum like the apc40, and i hope i can friggin jam on it (drum rack or keys, or something new) not just launch clips... personally, id prefer ableton teaming up with Novation. I haven't been so impressed with Akai midi controllers.

 

Everybody will give a different answer. In 2005, I did a test in the MPC Forums comparing the sound of the MPC 2500 and 3000. In a blind test, the majority of MPC Forum members thought the sample recorded on the MPC 2500 was the 3000 sample. Personally, the MPC 2500 sounded exactly what I put into it....again, subjective.

The "sound" of Maschine shouldn't be compared to hardware. Maschine sounds no better or worst than the average $300 software sampler.

 

i thought this thread was about ableton & akai, not an mpc vs maschine thread.

 

It is....the Akai MPC co-signed by Ableton. lol

 

Well, you know what happens when you say Akai.

To stay on topic, regardless of my predictions a product like that would drive improvements. I think Maschine could use some features from Live. Dedicated linear arrange, groove quantize, adjustable pattern start, time stretch. Basically all the stuff Geist just ripped from Ableton lol.

If they do collaborate and bring a Maschine rival you will see even more moving away from hardware only products.

 

I wish Native Instruments & Ableton would become bed buddies.

 

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