acoustic refractions Thanks for all the helpfull comments.....with the exception of Schrage Musik, obviously an etiquette obsessive.......I'll keep digging. It's not as if I don't have a million different sounds stashed inside the computer, but I particularly liked a lot of what was in that bundle.
OK, I guess I bought it before I got Komplete 7. If it's in that, all the installers are on the first disk so you can extract it if you dig in a little.
I checked, I also have it in Komplete 7, it's not available for download in my download area either, you'll need the installer from disk.
No. Not an obsessive. Just someone who thinks the world is a nicer place with a little thought to good manners. Requests are far more pleasant than demands and requests traditionally end with a 'please'. The word is free to use.
Hey everyone! Couple of things I've been thinking about tonight - some ?'s, some just comments. Comments first: I just finally got Kore2 installed and running again after some challenges - I'd moved to Maschine with the xgrade offer awhile back - and I just have to say (not to fan any flaming though) WOW - I had forgotten how amazing this tool is. I'm so excited to have the basic installation running that I'm not even going to care that my newer Komplete won't jive with it. That said - here's a question: I thought I read some time ago mention of a wiki or repository of all things Kore 2 - but it seems to me that all of the forum posts (this used to be a huge forum area) are gone now. Anyone know anything about this? I guess if the forum content is gone I'm sad about that - it was a great trove of information from a great user base. Guess that's it. I'm running 2.0 for now - can't seem to get 2.1.4 to not hang on installation - not sure why - but I'm going to just play with things for awhile - I'm SO happy to have at least a piece of my old Kore setup running again. Not that I don't love Maschine - I do - but it will never be what Kore is to me. Anyhow - glad to see people still frequenting this area - is their a FB group or any other community for Kore-ites? Cheers all! Rob
@ Rob, Welcome back to Kore, still my fav program by far I found most things I needed to find out using Google, works as good as the search function of the forum and other forums pop up too. There's a small group on FB called "loyal Kore users". Many people ran into installation problems with 2.14 on Win, I don't know who can help you, it's worth it, 64bit and GR3 ksds open in GR4. @ Nebulous; Schrage Musik's comment can also be seen as helpful
For anyone who's lost Acoustic Refractions, I can confirm it's bundled with Komplete 7 and I managed to install it last night. Unfortunately it will only open in Kore Player for the moment. I agree, Kore is an amazing tool and it's a pity it's disappeared into the NI trash bin. But it's a lot more difficult than Maschine to set up. I've been on XP for years but my new computer runs Windows 7. With XP, libraries and sounds loaded in the correct locations by default. I just went with the flow. WIndows 7 offers me too many choices and I'm certain that's been part of the problem - I've routed things to incorrect locations. ( Kore 1 wouldn't load at all.) Kore 2 on my old computer loads and plays over 15,000 sounds. I've loaded the exact same software and content into the new computer but, despite numerous full scans, I can access only 2000 sounds through Kore 2. (it's the latest update) It probably has to do with the shared content folder? a) there's almost nothing in it and b) there's no Kore folder. I openly admit I'm more into using the software than configuring it - partly why I'm new to the forum - and I'm grateful for the feedback. If anyone can offer some guidance on folder locations it would be much appreciated. For the moment I have 32bit plugins in Programs (x86) and 64 bit in Programs. All NI content is in it's own folder on another hard drive, while the programme folders are in Documents/native instruments. --- An update - a combination of Google, the NI forum and a bitof brainache seems to have resolved a lot of the issues. Kore 2 now finds close to 9000 sounds and can edit the instruments - this function was also absent after my first install. So if any of you still have issues, missing sounds etc, as inexperienced as I am compared with most of you, I'd be happy to share the knowledge I've gleaned.
I believe Komplete 7 + Kore 2 combined have around 9000 instrument and 3000 effect koresounds. Add a few korepacks and you're at 15.000 I guess
Goddamn I miss Kore I've refused to upgrade pretty much everything due to Kore's discontinuation. Komplete, Live, even my OS. Still running XP, Komplete 7 and Kore 2. I'll be damned if I ever give it up. I've spent a ton of money on software over the years, but NI killing Kore has completely halted my purchasing. So for that, I guess I have to thank them? But I'll never give up Kore. It's just too important. They can pry Kore from my cold, dead hands. Cheers, -ix
ditto I'll leave this laptop frozen in time and get a new machine entirely when I upgrade. Kore is still used constantly. It's just leaving money on the table.
Same story here - still very much using and enjoying Kore. I do wonder how to move forward as support for Kore 2 / Komplete 6 degrades with OS updates etc. NI have missed out on the following cash from me, since discontinuing Kore and not releasing .ksds for Komplete: Komplete 7 update Komplete 8 Ultimate upgrade Komplete 9 Ultimate update Kore 3 update (would have appeared by now?) Soundpacks and extra instruments Kore + Komplete was a killer 'kombination' that no-one else could compete with. Kore 2 + Komplete 6 is still a great team and working pretty well here in OSX 10.8. Since breaking the Kore + Komplete link, to my mind there hasn't been anything similar on the market (i.e. a huge sample and synth library, cross platform and wide host support, with a streamlined patch browser). This market is still there - although Apple and Yamaha/Steinberg will keep nibbling at it while their own bundled DAW sounds/FX continue to improve. But no-one seems to want it!
Kore is awesome. I will continue to be confused by NI until they release Kore3. I bought K9U upgrade from K7, skipped K8 because I was protesting the loss of Kore.
Support degrades? Most questions about Kore to support are not answered even on supported OS's Omnisphere seems to come pretty close to Kore + Komplete but it misses third party plugin integration, that's what I like most. Same thing with Alchemy. Looks like Bitwig is going to take over the librarian function in its new DAW, you can store plugin settings in a library and also nest plugins and move nests between channels like Kore could. But... you can't use the nests in another DAW, that was possible in Kore.
I know that the Maschine crowd knock me for knocking the simplistic music that Maschine is made for BUT I see an instant parallel in that form of music and NI's fall from greatness (and I mean that in artistic, not commercial terms). Kore required work from its users and from NI. Kore was not something for the 'instant gratification crowd'. With Kore, NI were stepping into uncharted territory. With Maschine, they're following the demands of a fickle crowd. Kore users were a dedicated bunch, some of whom put a vast amount of work into making Kore an invaluable tool for everyone (take a bow Kymeia). Maschine users are likely to jump ship as soon as a more fashionable beatbox rears its head. I have lost confidence in Kore. I don't want a system that becomes less and less as time goes by so have, sadly, decided to ditch it now. I curse the clowns who cancelled it and keep hoping that someone will come along and do a replacement. I thought Big Tick's 'Zen' was going to be the answer but that appears to have dropped off the radar. I have too much time invested in learning Cubase to jump ship to another DAW (anyway, BitWig's constant delays worry me). I have spent a few thousand pounds on gear since the demise of Kore. Not a penny of that has gone to NI and this will continue to be the case.
so basically your making an announcement to yourself saying that basically youre better than everyone/the masses that use maschine and the reason that kore was discontinued cause its for those who actually make better/more complicated music that actually needs skill/talent which you obviously have, thereby justifying their decision to discontinue Kore in your eyes and relieving you of any psychological discomfort, and your ban on NI just solidifies that. awesome/neurotic! ....................
First of all, I assume that English is your first language. If it's not, I apologise. If it is:- 1) Learn to read it. And, by that, I mean read what IS there and not what you'd like to be there. 2) Learn some grammar skills. Punctuation is important. 3) Anyone who uses the word 'awesome' in any context that does not deserve it (and there are few contexts that do) displays shoddy thinking. 'Awesome' has become a Pavlovian ejaculation that basically means bugger all. Now to your points. 1) At no point did I say that I was better than anyone else. I said that Maschine (note that I gave it respect by using a capital 'M' - you didn't) is geared towards simplistic music. I have no dislike of simplistic music. However, I want a musical toy that will give me far more flexibility. 2) At no point did I say that more complicated music was better. I have heard vast amounts of 'complicated' music that is pure ***** and lots of simple music that is wonderful. However, I want a musical toy that will give me far more flexibility. 3) As for skill/talent, I do not (and did not) claim to have any. However, at its lowest level Maschine does NOT take ANY skill to produce 'music'. With preloaded sound packs, all of the initial work has been done. Whack a few pads and you're making music. I accept that many people go way beyond that but many don't. One only has to listen to stuff on Soundcloud (often pointed to as Maschine owners' adverts to their own stuff) to hear that. I remember a wonderful quote from one such character who was bemoaning the fact that he'd "only written 11 songs today". One can only guess at the level of quality control - even though he did add that they were all 'awesome'. 4) I have never thought of ANY justification for NI to drop Kore. It was a financial 'reason'. A commercial 'decision'. No 'justification'. They don't have one and I would never think to devise one for them. 5) I do not have a 'ban'. A 'ban' would indicate that I was not allowed to buy from NI. I can. And would if they brought out something that was not available elsewhere.
I think "Asozial" is a play on "anti social". Just a guess! This was a condescending and mean thing to say and is completely untrue of Schrage. Maybe you are new here and have not been around through the discontinuation of Kore. If that is true, then you will never know what we went through. This still hurts and it is sad to see anybody give up Kore. Snide, snippy comments are not helpful. Schrage, I'm with you 100%. I did buy K8U after the Kore discontinuation, but now I am ever more cautious. My buy-in for K9U is not a sure thing. This is directly AND indirectly due to the Kore discontinuation. Here's how: When Kore went away, I bought Spectrasonics (everything) and Sounds Online "Complete Composer's Collection" (everything). I also picked up a few more Sonic Coutoure titles. That's literally BUCKETS of sounds. Those combined with K8U, I now have more sounds than I'll ever use in a lifetime. I can be much more careful now when buying anything from Native Instruments. That's why I said in another thread that I wanted "more" in K9U for my money. Supply and demand, my friends. I have a lot of supply (again; partly due to the aftermath wrought by Kore's discontinuation), so my demand is much smaller. Consequently, I want a smaller price or "more value". They want $499 for the K9U upgrade. That's a lot of money for a middling improvement, so K9U is not an automatic purchase for me. Specifically, I want to know more about Battery 4, Action Strings, and "Moog by a different name"; whatever they're calling the new synth. A sale here is not going to be easy. NI, I sure do wish you had brought your "A" game.
Many thanks for the support, BIF. Great to hear from you. Since the advent of Komplete 9, I've been analysing my continued anger towards NI and I've found some interesting things. I think, as well as the anger about the loss of Kore, I'm angry at the loss of confidence in a company I once thought a lot about. That loss of confidence, loss of trust, has caused me to miss out on a few things that I quite fancied. I simply CAN'T trust NI to not dump them and leave me with a dying product. I can't count the number of times I've been on the verge of buying Maschine (I can see it being useful for creating backing loops for some of my newer stuff) but again and again I hold off because of the complete lack of trust. I ended up buying Arturia Spark which does a chunk of what I need but not all of it. So, again, I find myself teetering on the edge of buying Maschine but knowing that I probably won't. I will not buy K9 because, without Kore, it is utterly unwieldy. If memory serves, NI used to advertise Kore as allowing you to find exactly the right sound in an instant - no matter what instrument produced that sound. That has all gone and, by dint of the number of sounds available in K9, it is largely unmanageable. The other matter that peeves me, is the number of people to whom I recommended Kore (and, by implication, NI). Some of them had their fingers well burned in the Kore fiasco. And, as I'm sure you can imagine, they did not thank me for it. Anyway, sir, that was a most cathartic whine. I hope all is wonderful with you and yours.
Schrage considered to buy Maschine several times, now that shows his nuances Sometimes I consider to do something and I decide not to. And then later I consider it again. And then again. If that happens so much that it annoys me, I decide to not consider it anymore. I agree, trust is gone. I'm even concerned all of my encrypted sound libraries will be useless one day because NI will stop supporting discontinued sound libraries sooner or later. Then I need to find replacements for these brilliant AR drumkits and Scarbee basses and EP's, and all of my SonicCouture stuff. Is going to be a similar nightmare. Makes me buy sound libraries that are not encrypted. Kore is still being advertised all over the internet as "the ideal companion to Komplete". And still the first program I open in Logic. How else can I browse through the presets of 50 third-party plugins at once.