Announcing: Audio coming to Maschine in 2.7

I mean the pattern and scenes in the timeline have to be as flexible as a slicing tool. The locking function still can be viable for those who just wanna loop same length of scenes and pattern. But for everybody who wants to finish up a Track and needs it flexible needs to transport the sounds to a more flexible DAW. If you could unlock patterns and scenes and slice them, like parts in the middle, the end, without doing that with all pattern (needs separate independents - not like now every pattern is different or all are the same) then we can finish up a track without a complicated work around.

The timeline also needs to show much more information about the content. sure u can look below, but then u still can't see the pattern in context the the other pattern and their content.

But I'm sure now NI is listening to their costumers and their needs and since they announced they will make it possible for us to finish up a track like the community wants it, they already planned that.

 

Sorry much of this does not make sense,
Maschine has a MIDI sequencer. How do you "slice" MIDI notes in the timeline? Or are you talking about the sampler? ("Slicing" is what is done to samples).
There is NO DAW in Maschine at present.
"But for everybody who wants to finish up a Track and needs it flexible needs to transport the sounds to a more flexible DAW." - This does not make any sense whatsoever.
"If you could unlock patterns and scenes and slice them, like parts in the middle, the end, without doing that with all pattern " - Perhaps you mean "split"?? Sorry it's hard to follow this.

Perhaps you actually asking for a pattern or scene in the sequencer timeline to be split into two, thus creating another scene or pattern/s?

 

I don't know what part you don't get since I explained it so detailed. have you ever used a DAW in you life? If you don't know the words I'm using then go and ask someone who can draw a picture for you.

 

Please refer to my earlier comments. I actually made a suggestion as to what you might be asking for.
Please understand that your suggestion does not make any sense, apologies if English is your second language.

Don't be so ridiculous, I've been sequencing and recording since the 80's kido, 4035 posts vs your 12, aggression will get you nowhere. Take out your newbie frustrations elsewhere please.

 

is Maschine all that you've ever used? in pretty much any DAW tracks (MIDI, audio) can be edit/cut/copied/pasted/re-arranged however. you can't edit/cut/arrange Maschine patterns in the same way. i guess you could copy/paste from existing patterns into new patterns and make them the size that you'd like? quite a workaround, but might be possible to do something similar.

 

Did you read my previous post?

I obviously know the answer to this question. You can not slice a MIDI note. A midi note in an event, you can't cut an event in half. What you can do is duplicate it, or split it in two midi notes (effectively copying it).. You absolutely cannot "slice it".

Or if you are talking about a set of midi notes (patterns) then you can simply split them into separate clips

Slicing is sampling terminology, you can slice samples, but then I already said that in my previous post.
You should be talking to Samsistema here, he's the one getting this muddled.

Hence my line of query. Please read posts!

FYI Maschine wasn't around in 1987 when I started working in processional recording studios.. For sequencing we used Fairlights, later on Atari St's. For recording we used Neve's, SSL's and 24/48 track analogue, Or 32 track digital Mitsubishi. Or whatever was in the studio we could use. The only on board computers were Fairlights or SSL G series automation. General MIDI did not even exist. PCs had not even taken off for music.

 

he doesn't say anything about "slicing" MIDI notes, but patterns. like you would use editing tools inside a DAW.

you're right that it doesn't make a lot of sense beyond that, there's obviously some sort of language barrier here.

 

He stated " If you could unlock patterns and scenes and slice them". You can't slice patterns either, but you can split them into two. The only thing that can be sliced inside a DAW is an audio track, although you are way more likely to "split a clip" in the DAW scenario on an audio track. "Slicing" is terminology generally reserved for samplers, i.e. Slicing beats.

 

Slice
verb
1.
cut (something, especially food) into slices.
"slice the onion into rings"
synonyms: cut, cut up, carve, divide, segment, section
"slice the cheese as thinly as possible"

 

pedantic

adjective: pedantic
excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.
"his analyses are careful and even painstaking, but never pedantic"
synonyms: overscrupulous, scrupulous, precise, exact, over-exacting, perfectionist, precisionist, punctilious, meticulous, fussy, fastidious, finical, finicky; More
dogmatic, purist, literalist, literalistic, formalist, scholastic;
casuistic, casuistical, sophistic, sophistical;
captious, hair-splitting, quibbling, pettifogging, fault-finding, hypercritical, cavilling, carping;
informalnitpicking, pernickety;
archaicovernice
"a pedantic interpretation of the rules"
learned, cerebral, didactic, bookish, pedagogic, donnish, highbrow, ivory-tower, pretentious, pompous;
intellectual, academic, scholastic, scholarly, literary;
informalegghead
"pedantic words like ‘irriguous’"

 

MIDI has been around since 1982 and widely available since 1983 (DX7).

Steinberg Pro 16 for the Commodore 64 came out in 1984 and Pro 24 for the Atari came out in 1986 "kido".

 

You should really understand my style by now and learn to be more careful, check out the bold I tend to throw in stuff for people like you to pick up (which is way too predictable). Look up General MIDI. You clearly have no idea it is a standard.

Atari ST's were used all the time because of their inclusive MIDI ports. I never saw one C64 to be honest (except when playing video games), that's probably down to the fact that MIDI ports weren't supplied by default.

Nice try though on pretending to know what you are talking about.

 

Although talking about MIDI manipulation and editing etc. in a thread announcing audio features might seem a little off-topic, it has reminded me of this buried suggestion that I've just reposted: https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/sample-edit-style-pattern-editor.323566/

 

LOL. Word. IF EVERY COMPUTER DIDNT HAVE MIDI....HOW WOULD IT MAKE A SOUND? GENERAL MIDI INSTRUMENTS ARE WHAT MAKE THE GENERIC SOUNDS ON COMPUTER. The BLOOP, DUNT, DING. I GO FARTHER, HOW DOES THE COMPUTER SAY "YOU'VE GOT MAIL."...MIDI IS SENT FROM "ENTER (BUTTON) or MOUSE (CLICK) TO COMPUTER which TRIGGERS THE "SAMPLE" "YOU'VE GOT MAIL."

ANOTHER...DONT MATTER ABOUT THE "MIDI NOTE" IF ITS AT A POINT AND TIME WHERE THE SAMPLE SHOULD....THATS IT!....YOUR SAMPLE IS THE PROBLEM!...MIDI NOTE ONLY TELL WHERE TO START, THE SAMPLE STOPS WHEN THE SAMPLE OVER. OTHER DATA CAN BE INVOLVED IF YOUR ADDED FOR YOUR SOFTWARE/VST TO RECORD OTHER MIDI DATA (EXPRESSION,AFTERTOUCH ETC.) WHICH STILLS APPLIES TO SAMPLE AND PLUGIN...IF YOU CHANGE PLUGIN OR SAMPLE..IS NOT THE SAME MIDI PATTERN PLAYING

MIDI is MIDI a lot of Computer Made Producer/Engineer (s) think MIDI is a THING. Simple, MIDI is a "Signal that Triggers a Sound (sample) Ex: Light switch (controller) opens circuit (sample) for light bulb to SHINE. MIDI is root system for any Audio DIGITAL system to operate, after Hardware their was HARDWARE MIDI MODULE before PC "ALL IN ONE" A/D D/A (Audio Digital Conversion vice versa). AUDIO ENGINEER GENREAL INFO: MIDI IS THE WAY A COMPUTER READS INFORMATION. ( in simple terms).

I tell PRODUCERS "MIDI TRIGGERS THE SOUND." "HOW THE HELL, YOU CHANGE KITS,PRESETS,PLUGINS, AND IT PLAYS THE SAME MIDI PATTERN? DUH, JUST MAKE THE BEAT....I'M THE ENGINEER!."

Nobody ever, USED a PLUG-INS MIDI capabilities...........
1. Pro tools,Abelton,Cakewalk,Steinberg ETC. HAVE PLUGIN instruments where you can change Software INSTRUMEMTS to play General Midi Instruments from your COMPUTER.
2. If ANY device has MIDI IN/OUT/THRU there is 16 channels of INFORMATION THAT CAN BE TRANSMITTED, BOTH WAYS. EX: NI Maschine with MIDI OUT can play/trigger 16 CHANNELS on an Radio Shack Keyboard or FANTOM, MPC etc. Where the Maschine or any MIDI device is TRIGGERing the Sound in HARDWARE.

"EDUCATION IN WHAT YOU DO,MAKES MORE SENSE THAN TALENT"- The BEAT PiRATE
Y'ALL NOOBS STOP BUYING THEN TRYING TO LEARN. MIDI IS THE OLDEST THING TO MUSIC, LIKE JAVASCRIPT. I BOUGHT A www.m-audio.com/products/view/uno EARLY 2000 AND NEVER NEEDED "VIRTUAL MIDI" FOR ANY SOFTWARE ON PC/APPLE.

 

Well I have only owned a true GM capable keyboard (levels 1 and 2 plus the XG, DOC and GS standards) for the last 13 years so maybe I know a bit about it.

From you original statement I did not think you were talking about the GM standard because what on earth has GM to do with recording, sequencing or computer based music?

 

I wrote General MIDI, I was right you were completely wrong, as I say nice try. Ner ner ner ner ner you were the one trying to catch me out and YOU got caught out instead. , Suck it up!

Moving on.

 

I do like to see young peoples having fun together..............................................

 

With respects to the original post by Samsistema, I think he's referring to something like the "audio view" in Ableton (not sure if the correct name for it is audio view, but it's the timeline of the song that shows the audio of each track for the length of the song). He might be using the incorrect terminology or I might be misunderstanding, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant; the flexibility that it has....he wishes Maschine had that flexibility. It shows all of the individual hits in each pattern/track, you can slice, create different lengths, ect. ect.
I'm new to Maschine as I've always been a hardware user, but I got the Mk3 a few weeks ago & I fell in love at first touch ) In all honesty I'm used to using hardware that's a little limited (ie: MPC 2500, MPC 500, sp404sx, MicroSampler, ect), so I was used to work arounds & using different pieces of gear for different tasks. The fact that I get the power of software without having to use my mouse or computer keyboard with the Mk3 is amazing to me (I work on a computer, so I've always avoided it for music). And the fact that the software gets updates & we don't have to pay for the updates blows my mind! I know that's normal in the world of production, but still. Please note: For hours I can shake maracas & freestyle while my brother beat boxes and plays the xylophone. I'm easy to please in the world of music...but that's what it's about for me. Jammin out, having fun and just feelin it.

 

I hear you man. It's just that, at a certain point, the complaints are falling on the wrong ears. I don't love 100% what Maschine is right now, by any stretch, and I occasionally voice that opinion. I also (personally) get more from a forum when we keep the relevant complaints totally transparent and present, but then focus on solutions, alternate products or workflows, or in general - help each other learn more about how to be better producers with the tools we have... Or we help one another decide on a better solution, which may not be Maschine.

I like the audio module, sure. It's nice. I like Mk3's layout and functionality. I still always end up in Ableton, and I still always end up on Push 2. I am almost at the point of "I don't need Maschine at all" to be honest. I love loading up kits and the fast routing, mixing/mastering of pads and groups, but once I get into more of the "let's make this a song" mode, I just prefer Ableton and Push. I have AudioModder, which allows for browsing and loading of NI's kits and products on Push 2. It's less elegant than the native browser found in Maschine or KK, but it "gets the job done" well enough. It loads drum kits on push 2 in a drum kit, but does open Maschine at the same time. It's just pre-routed into the 16 pads of the drum kit. If you have a Push 2, check that product out. It's actually the best way I've found to retain the SOUNDS I love in Komplete and Maschine, but the rest that I love so much in Ableton & Push. I have not yet reached critical mass, in terms of being able to let go of Maschine, but I do consider it every few days - just from a simplistic perspective.

I own all of the expansions as well, so the cash value in the Maschine MK3, Jam and all expansions could benefit my studio in other ways... but yet I hang onto it, because there are still a few great things that NI has thrown into Maschine - that others do not have.

 

I think you need to educate yourself some more.
A midi note can start or stop a sample , it depends on the samplers mode eg one shot or adsr.
Midi is a signal that triggers a sound (sample) - err it can do more than trigger a sound and you know that not all sounds are samples right
And midi is not the oldest thing in music nor is it the root system of any digital audio system.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI