Announcing: Maschine+

you are buying the hardware controller ,the software package comes free.

 

You are buying both. That’s why when you upgrade from komplete select you get a discount.

I suppose NI should offer some vouchers for existing customers. And preferably, vouchers that don’t expire quick. When I got my maschine Jam, by the time I learned how to barely work with both software and hardware, the 2 vouchers they gave me already had expired. How am I supposed to know, what else do I need when I don’t know what I have?

 

Those plugins come free with all Maschine controllers. There is crossgrade path to other direction if Maschine user wants to upgrade to Komplete.

I wonder what happens when they port plugins that are not included with Maschine. Will Komplete owners get to use those plugins for ”free”?
Knowing NI, the first ports will be new plugins that are not yet part of K or KU bundles.

Offtopic Edit:
I have registered to this Forum in 2007 and i’m still: New User

 

Always read the terms & conditions

 

I see that more as a loyalty bonus.

Anyway
Massive is £130
Monark is £89
Prisim is £59

All come with the mikro , the mikro is £199 and that also comes with the maschine software and some of the full maschine library and maybe some expansions
In reality you’re paying for the controller and maschine software everything else is just a sweetener,

 

I read I read. Does that mean I have to agree with them?

 

Of course not , but at least they (the vouchers) won’t run out before you can use them

 

“Dear customer, for the last 5 years you have purchased the komplete ultimate bundle on a regular basis. The next edition is free.” - that’s a loyalty bonus IMO.

Mikro doesn’t come with MASCHINE Factory Library or KOMPLETE 12 Select like it’s bigger sister MK3. Absolutely normal that if you pay more you get more - software and hardware wise.


So, In reality you are paying for both. Otherwise maschine+‘s price wouldn’t be more than 2x MK3’s price for an extra atom quad core chip, 4GB of ram, aluminum case, SD card reader and 2 USB ports (and whatever else extra hardware stuff it has).

The maschine software already exists and so do the VST/plugins, so why should you pay that much? Because someone had to work on porting all that stuff to work on a stand-alone device.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not judging or moaning about the price. It is absolutely fair that we pay for current and future developments. Otherwise there would be no updates at all.

Stating that the software package comes free with a 1300€ controller is wrong.

 

Anyway, we should stop talking about semantics and interpretations

See it the way it suits you better and I will do the same

 

the cup can be half full or half empty , in my case it’s empty, so I’m off to put the kettle on !!!

 

I figure it's only a matter of time before you can buy a ryzen pc the size of a rasberry pi and then you could slip one inside a mk3 ( or an after-market case for a Mk3). Add your own ssd and connect it via USB, configure to auto boot and you're done.

 

When i bought my MK1 as new it came with zero plugins. Later NI gave all those plugin FOR FREE to me. Of course i had already bought Komplete, but still it was free added content.

so why they give those for free?
They are all really old plugins that are really hard to sell at full price. Massive and FM8 were made for 2008 computers so they are obvious to be included in less powerful stand alone Maschine.

 

Someone else also asked this here.
I don't think so, I am not an expert in this subject but this is my understanding:
UAD (and similar options) free up processing CPU power not Ram, they use very specialized chips that handle the DSP processing at super low latency while Mas+ has a regular mobile consumer Intel Chip, UAD Plugins are also built from the ground up to be able to use that external DSP acceleration.. So the chances of Mas+ becoming an external DSP processor are pretty much zero.
https://www.analog.com/en/products/...ocessors-dsp/sharc-audio-processors-socs.html

I think that's already a thing (?) https://www.dfi.com/product/index/1456
The new ryzen nucs are pretty small, not raspberry size yet but close.

 

People are always looking at the latest consumer enthusiast cpus and saying ‘why not just put one of those in x device’?

Hardware designers aren’t dumb.. i’m not one so i can’t say the reasons but there is obviously a reason they don’t just do that.

 

A type c power bank will output 15v, and a usb pd trigger will force the voltage without the need for handshaking. https://www.electronics-lab.com/usb-c-pd-module-provides-9v-12v-15v-20v-sells-1e/

Just need the dc jack connector, which looks to have a locking mechanism according to the back of the unit, so may not be an off the shelf part.

 

The more I think about the M+, the more I think the customer it’s going to most appeal to is a seasoned Maschine user who already loves the ecosystem and wants to make her setup more portable. It’s unfortunate, then, that there is no upgrade path for those of us in this situation. I’d love a M+, but I do think it’ll be really hard for me to justify the price, when so much of it is for software I already own. If I buy an M+, I’m really only getting one thing over what I already have: portability. That’s something I want, but I don’t know if I want it $1400 worth.

I think this is a bit of an issue with NI in general. I love, love, love NI’s sounds, but I already own most of the ones I want/need. When I went to buy a small keyboard controller, it was definitely a factor: buy an M32 and basically get NO software (since I already own it all), or buy another brand, which will at least come with some stuff I don’t already own? I ultimately bought the M32 because the cost was low and I see the software there as a tiny fraction of what I’m paying for. But in the case of the M+, it’s hard not to look at the software package as a huge chunk of the price. Comparing to the AKAI line, it’s like, “okay, the M+ has much better software, so I can sort of squint and see why it costs so much more — but I already own that software, so what am *I* getting out of this?”

 

The original power supply is 15V 2.66A, 39.9W, USB-C can handle that but since the most common ones only output 5V we would need that module to bump the voltage, correct? A simple cable like this one wouldn't work, right?

It's not off-shelf but it's compatible with normal barrel connectors, it just has small tabs at the end, exactly like this:
https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-power/ppw01008/2-1mm-dc-plug-lockable/dp/AV15148
So, it's not a proprietary connector.
I haven't measured the diameter yet.

I got an Anker Astro Pro which allows to change the output voltage and has a DC output, it should work but i have no idea where i put the cables/connectors or how long 20000mah allows for usage, once I find the connectors or buy some new ones I'll post my results (assuming I am allowed too)

 

Think of how you presently connect the mk3 to your p, e.g. USB. You would simply need a pc small enough to fit inside and powerful enough to run one key software, e.g. Maschine. Eventually you might have a stripped down windows 10 installation to run faster than normal. Just add memory, storage and go. The only problem might be on screen prompts, but you could have a tiny screen for those.

Does anyone have any specs on the sound card, is it better spec than what's presently in the mk3?

 

Yes, that’s it - DSP. And CPU, thanks for correcting me. I was struggling to write this idea down

Well, now that the stand-alone device is done they should start working on a new sound interface that handles DSP processing so we can load 200 kontakt orchestral instruments inside Maschine+

On a more serious note, if you are working on an heavy project and you don’t have a for example a Mac Pro, I guess that if you use Ableton Link that could kind of work like a DSP processing right? Maschine+ handles some plugins/VSTs and your computer handles the rest? The only downside is that I you will finish with 2 different projects in 2 different DAWs

 

Actually I would instantly buy this product if it could take away some heavy work out of my computer. Why didn’t they thought about this already?