Any way to get more out of K2/K3 than 2GB without 64bit?

Hi, the topic says it all.
Is there any chance to get more out of K2/K3 than 2GB when using as a vsti in Cubase on OS Leopard?

If not, when can we expect the 64bit version of K2/K3?

I know that I could use standalone K2 and route it into the sequencer by using JackOS or Soundflowers. I tried it all but there is no really good solution. While Jack OS is buggy as hell and has problems when K2 works with more than stereo outputs, Soundflower just crackles and pops the hell after around 10-15 minutes of usage ... and FXT2 or DSP Bridge seem to be miles away

This world is so cruel

 

I tried Soundflower and had the same problems. I use Digital Performer which allows you to load VIs and then keep them for multiple cues, so you don't have to reload samples. This is a big help, but not for Cubase, I guess.

Everyone is waiting to be able to use Kontakt standalone on the Mac.

 

How about - in addition to running Kontakt as plugin in Cubase - running it as plugin in Bidule and running Bidule as Rewire app. in Cubase. I would think it gets separate address spaces in Cubase & Bidule, thus effectively doubling the accessible RAM. This is just a theory - I haven't tried it.

 

Thanks Nickie,

but as far as I know rewire applications are also handled as "inside Cubase". So Rewire is basically as the same as vsti mode and therefore takes the RAM out of Cubase. So the 2GB limit is still there ... but please, correct me if I am wrong.

 

i am still curious about what happens when we use the native 32 bit plugins on 64 bit os ?
as of now i am running K3(which is a 32 bit application ) on vista ultimate 64 bit.

 

I don't know, Alex. Bidule does appear on its own in Proces Explorer (= Task Manager), when I open it as Rewire in Sonar. And what's more: it stays open, when I close Sonar. Doesn't that indicate, it runs as stand alone with its own address space? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about this will chime in. It would be nice to know.

 

NI should just provide rewire support for Kontakt in a similar way as Gigastudio 3.

We could use all 4 midi ports then as well, more output busses above 16 stereo would be needed though.

 

Good question Waywyn, I too struggle to get 2gb of samples loaded (though I must admit it does get done) on my pc.

The thought of running K2 in standalone along side plugin instances within Cubase was something I use to think would be an adequate solution, but I soon found out that was impossible for to do with desirable results.

On my PC i run into problems with the ASIO drivers not have multi client functionality. (Though RME claims to have this, Maudio atm does not)

I thought apple's core audio drivers allowed for mutli client functionality, but as yo said third party programs do not allow for desirable results.

I have not been able to push the ram limit past ~2gb on a pc whilst working with Kontakt as plug inside Cubase and I do not think I will be able to until I get a true 64 bit DAW. I reckon that might be the same case for yo on your mac.

 

NI team must provide Kontakt with rewire functionality!
My 4G RAM are useless when I work in Cubase with K3 as vst because WinXP can handle only 2G Ram per application.
And switching now to WinVista is not a good idea. Maybe after 2-3 years. This is why we need K3 rewire! And this is the first thing NI team must work at.

 

I think you guys understanding something wrong.

Please correct me if I am wrong but ReWire mode uses the RAM of the host sequencer, because it uses Reason or the ReWired program as an embeded software ... somehow.

As said above, I might be proven wrong, but I remember a post on another forum where a guy stated this issue.

Of course if you mean, rewire as a possible solution such as the new VSL VI, this would be smashing.

By the way, I didn't manage to find a way to get more that 2GB in Kontakt, but since I purchased Chamber Strings of VSL recently with it's fantastic VI player, I decided to get the Special Edition and dumb Kontakt more and more ... or even just use it for my additional samples, coming from ProjectSAM, Westgate and EWQL.

May the VSL VI be my main sampler. It will be 64bit very soon (already announced ... and if the VSL guys announce something, it will be released for sure!) and therefore I don't need K2 really anymore.

If a 64bit update or even better ... a version which uses the RAM of the system (and therefore could use all the RAM you have in your computer) would be released soon, even better.

 

When opened as Rewire device (what Propellerhead calls the "synth application") in Sonar ("mixer application"), Bidule appears independently of Sonar in Process Explorer with its own address space, and stays open and functional after I close Sonar. You can open Kontakt in Bidule and in Sonar; these are then both host applications of Kontakt and Kontakt takes its address space from the hosts. ReWire is merely an audio routing protocol between two stand-alone applications.

It would be very cool to have Kontakt support ReWire. This should have a high development priority for NI.