Apple Silicon "Native version"

Anything would be great, it’s been more than a year now, since M1 was presented.

Anyway, I’m learning how to use Live Loops in Logic Pro X and migrating my Maschine projects to Logic. Still using Maschine as drum module/sampler for now…

 

Not at all with Intel!!!! They should have switched to AMD. ;-) They could have brought Apple users much more powerfull computers than those using M1 chip. ;-)

Apple users would have stronger computers and less troubles with AS software compatibility. And in a few years again when returning back to x86 platform..... I strongly doubt Apple is able to compete with AMD/Intel. AMD will bring CPU with 96 big cores next year....

Be prepared for Rosetta 3. :-((( AMD may be marginal, but Intel is catching its breath and in a few years it will again be competetive and way ahead of Apple Silicon. Like AMD is now already.

But to be fair to Apple, at the time of decission to switch to Apple Silicon, they probably could not anticipate success of AMD and revolution in x86 platform development.... And Intel was drawning in swamp....

 

have you dudes used a silicon mac ??? AMD/Intel . Even in this 1st iteration, Silicon is light years ahead. even 2 + years of crappy incompatibilities will not turn the clock back or produce x86 stuff running like this. It's Epoch time and thats great because, cool stuff will come from this x

 

Well, even M1 Max CPU is just a bit more powerfull than AMD´s "toy CPU" Ryzen 7 5700G. The strongest consumer AMD CPU may have multiples of CPU power of M1 Max. And in a year it will rise up 20-30% with comming ZEN 4 generation. And in two, three years again rise up about 20%. And double, triple more cores. Not speaking about Pro CPUs or server ones....

Intel is another story..... But give it few years, they will shine again. Hopefully.

Apple Silicon CPUs are good ones, but by far not the best ones. Apple is good in marketing. I wish Apple and its customers to be able to keep pace at least with Intel, not speaking about AMD.

 

Bla, bla bla bla….

Repeating something as nausea does not make it truth. What does your PC praises have to do with the subject of this thread? What is your horse in this race (as you are an avid PC owner and not a Mac owner)? Or are you just doing it to irritate Mac owners and to derail this thread?

Be so kind and stop trolling, would ya?

 

Disliking every users post because it "irritates Mac owners" such as yourself is just as petty. I am a mac owner (and a PC owner) but I can agree with a lot of what some of these users say because although I use a mac and an iPhone and like the quality and performance of both, I dislike many things about both Apple and how they handle themselves and their marketing. They are world leaders in turning cash into trash through obsolescence and marketing with that feeling "you NEED this latest version to be a success". Some users out there actually seem to believe that the M1 chip is some magical thing that will finally open up everything they wanted and make them a success. It's just a processor and spec wise, it's ok but not the best, and relies on developers actually programming to take advantage of it which some may not.

All users are entitled to be frustrated with all this Apple business because for those few it may benefit, the rest of us who it doesn't now have to watch months of R&D and support time go into playing catch-up to make what was working perfectly fine, work all over again. Almost all software is just releasing macOS updates and fixes and patches at the moment and forums are clogged with users asking when update will be. So yeah, it gets a little tiring to sit through for 6 months....

Cue dislike in 3...2...1...

 

No dislike. I respect your professionalism and what you do in regards of NKS. However, most vocal critics of Apple platform are usually PC users and somehow, each Mac related thread attracts them, like bees to honey. They just HAVE TO TELL us their (usually disparaging and derogatory) opinion about our platform of choice. Why I do not see Mac users participating in PC/Win threads is beyond me... perhaps we do not want to convert anyone to the only "right" computer platform, like you PC guys do

You are absolutely entitled to your negative opinion in regards of rapid progress of MacOS and lack of backwards compatibility. I have 100% opposite opinion and I adore Apple for rapidly moving with development of OS and being bold to use their own processors. I percept PC/Win world as obsessed with backwards compatibility and stagnant, with Windows 11 being proverbial "lipstick on a pig".

Having said that, I still don't understand what motivates PC users to participate in threads like this. Oh well

 

Well, actually AS and Apple thing is influencing me, that is why there is my concern even though I am on PC. The Apple mess requires lots of human resources of developers of plugins I use. It makes plugins I use more expensive and also they cannot develop new things or remove bugs and so on....

M1 class of CPUs is not miraculous one on the upper Hitech edge. It is OK CPU, but for Pro use very low end of current Pro CPUs.

I understand Apple users that they are happy from AS as it is better than old Intels, but thats it. Apple will have a lot problems to keep pace with AMD and soon also Intel. Maybe Apple will be able compete and it would be actually good thing, but I strongly doubt it. M3 will show.

I hope NI will port their plugins to native AS soon, and free their resources to work for all users.

 

A big reason you don't see "mac users" becoming annoyed at ongoing PC users issues is because there just aren't many common PC issues, especially not the same kinds of ongoing ones that are caused by an OS/Software update. This is a reason why non mac users (and even mac users alike) get irritated at these constant threads because it seems never changing, there is always a spanner in the works. Users have to check their entire life is compatible before updating and those that don't bother will be the first ones complaining nothing works now and asking when everything will be updated so they can get back to work. Most professional companies avoid this by holding back on updates, but that isn't the majority of users out there who kind of update blindly and of course without any backups.

Issues for a PC user will be the same they have been since the 90s, mostly related to performance, audio problems or just general usage of the software. Rarely ever is it to do with compatibility/drivers and for mac, it is almost always an issue with drivers, security preferences, logic or compatibility (which also causes performance issues). Even with Win11 rolling out, the lack of threads about it signal it's just not a concern like a new macOS release because apart from some drivers, software is almost never a concern and no one needs to worry about having to purchase upgrades to all their software.

But that kind of proves how far up the apple tree you sit. Obsessing over maintaining compatibility in a world where everyone wants square pegs to be accepted into round holes this is the exact reason I personally prefer to use Windows over mac. The most frustrating thing I personally find is when I try install a program from my archives for testing only to be met with that message "this version is not compatible with this OS".

I am the bearer of bad news for many macOS users who I have to tell daily that because they have now updated to an M1/macOS 12 they cannot use their older software version, they MUST now purchase an upgrade. Or visa versa, they want to use the latest software version, well you cant on macOS 10.12 anymore, you need a whole new machine if you cannot upgrade to at least 10.14.

Each to their own and not everyone will agree but I think in terms of ongoing compatibility and reliability (not always performance without some deeper knowledge) the Windows side certainly seems more stable over time which is certainly not how it was 20+ years ago, that isn't stagnant by any stretch.

 

First things first - thank you very much for accepting me in this forum. This is my first post, so please be gentle with me in case my wording is inappropriate.
I am one of these guys that use both, a PC and a Mac, for music making at hobby or amatuer level - a PC for DJing, and a Mac, which I thought would be the perfect choice for creating some music. I own an M-Audio Oxygen Pro Midi keyboard, and a Maschine Mk3 "groove station".
I was fascinated by Native Instruments software quickly and went for the full package, including KONTAKT, MASSIVE, the whole lot. After having installed all of that on my late 2013 MacBook Pro (16 GB RAM), it turned out that the Mac was way too slow to handle KONTAKT (and Pro Logic) properly. Even after having tested KONTAKT et al on my PC (i7-8770K-based, 32 GB RAM), I was annoyed by the hickups I could easily still hear.
I therefor ordered a MacBook Pro M1 Max (64 GB RAM) to make sure that this will not happen again. I am still waiting for my MacBook to be delivered, but I am keen to learn when Native Instruments, after having made all their software compatible with Rosetta, will launch versions that run natively on Apple Silicon.
Is there any idea when this will happen? 4 weeks? 3 months? 1 year? Even if the release date will be announced with some disclaimers, any date will be better than no date at all...

 

I have no insiders knowledge, but I would speculate that native versions will happen within 3 months or so. Worthless statement I know, but it seems that NI has been speeding up development lately... some corner has been turned in how they are doing things.

 

Sounds reasonible to me. I know this comment may sound a bit arrogant (not intended), but good to hear that NI has taken that matter seriously. If it‘s done within 3 to 6 months, I‘d be happy.

 

They said it might be around the end of this year, month or so ago. So, maybe it will be within weeks, but in SW development one never knows... Things may get stuck. And also NI needs cooperation with Apple to resolve certain things... So, the time needed also depends on Apple responsiveness.

I guess, it is behind the corner. Unless there is some kind of problems....

 

Well, someone from NI hinted in this very thread that they might have something ready by the end of the year. I’ve asked just recently if there’s an update on this, but got no reply. I guess we’ll see.

Generally I’m assuming that they’ll roll it out gradually. I’m suspecting Kontakt will be first, within the next few months or so. Reaktor will be last, hopefully in 2022