Audio 4 DJ & TSP

i was wondering if any one knows if TSP has time coded support with Audio 4DJ because i've been messing around with the demo version of TSP and have not been able to use Timecoded CDS

 

http://www.native-instruments.com/newreleases/#/en/products/dj/audio-4-dj/?page=a4djpricing

 

damn i didn't see the fine print on the bottom but i don't know y its not working on the demo cuz i selected for it to use on TSP but cool thnx

 

The Audio 4 will work just fine as a Soundcard you just wont be able to use it with Timecode until you purchase Traktor Scratch Pro.
Unfortunately that comes with the Audio 8.

There is an upgrade to TSP for Audio 8 owners but not for Audio 4 owners.

 

how much is a license for TSP? I got my TSP with Audio 8 for 448$ with an EDU discount.

 

Dont undertstand.
Why do you need to buy a license?
You cant just buy a license ?

 

so if you have purchased the audio 4 and want to use tractor scratch pro, how do you go about it? certainly, you dont have to buy the entire TSP package with A8DJ?

Am I missing something? Does the A4DJ not support timecode? If it does, is it possible to get it bundled with TSP?
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I just went and looked at the website again... seems that the A4 doesn't work with timecode. (i was indeed missing something)

When I saw the thing, I just assumed that the whole point was to be like an SSL interface. Cheaper and for only 2 decks... able to use timecode with some kind of add-on pack containing timecode discs and records, maybe some multicore cables and a license for TSP.

While not completely pointless, its quite a bit more pointless that I thought. I'm sure that if I were considering the thing for purchase, I would have figured that out. Seems silly to bundle it with Traktor LE and a demo for TS since you'd need a better interface to use the 4 decks on TS or timecode on TSP.

NI to A4DJ customer: "here's a shiny new soundcard for you DJs out there. its great with the dumbed down version of our software provided but sucks with our pro software. by the way, here is a demo so you can see what you are missing. should have bought the audio 8 in the first place? Buy that too."

 

It DOES support timecode.

 

so how does one upgrade to TSP... where is the package and how much does it cost?

 

Ok, ive been waiting for this question.

If you have TSPro and the Audio 8 and it gets stolen by passing Gypsies then you can buy the Audio 4 and use its for your timecode setup.
The Audio 4 works with timecode. Next person to ask that question gets a good thrashing from the Headmaster.

There currently is no package to upgrade Traktor Pro and the Audio 4 to Scratch.

Remember that the Audio 4 is just a soundcard. It isnt necessarily for a Timecode setup so it does have an intrinsic value as a regular souncard that will sound as good as the Audio 8.

 

But it can only utilize 2 decks in Traktor Pro and there is no upgrade package to Scratch. Not sure which of the words "lame", "dumb", or just plain ol "stupid" applies.

Karlos- you can excuse the confusion on whether the device accepts timecode or not... i mean, it does in theory, but unless you buy a package with another soundcard (thus obviating the need for the a4 in the first place) you cannot use the timecode. Unless the gypsies get you, of course.

Or you might be one of those DJs who drags their gear behind their car, tied to a rope or bungee cord on the way to gigs. Apparently, the A4 will still work when you get to your gig. Finally, the perfect audio interface.

I get that its a standalone soundcard with the same D/A as the Audio 8, and that's great. But if it supports timecode it seems like a complete no-brainer to have an optional upgrade package for TSP. One that doesn't make the overall cost higher than the full TSP/Audio8 package.

 

Hmm, I don't know. Consider this information from the NI online store -->>>

TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO Certified Mixer / AUDIO 8 DJ Upgrade
For owners of TRAKTOR-certified mixers or the AUDIO 8 DJ.
Package Comprises: TRAKTOR PRO software with DVS plug-in, 2 control vinyl records/2 control CDs, manual
339.00 USD

The way this reads is that you can upgrade to TSP if you own an Audio 8 or if you have a certified mixer. From what Karlos describes, the DVS plug-in (which is what actually gives you the Scratch functionality) would have to 'check' that you either had an Audio 8 or one of the certified mixers and would not function if neither was detected. If this is the case then yes, end of thread.

Now if buying this package means that all you are really getting is a simple plug-in that enables the functionality then I would imagine that this particular upgrade option would work with the Audio 4. IOW, the $339 price is the 'street value' of the plug-in and if you try to use it with uncertified gear then shame on you.

Of course, I could be completely looney too.

 

@nomaad. I completely see your point and i agree with you 100%.


@empolo. I also see your point . It would make sense that you could buy the Upgrade package for the Audio 8, for the Audio 4.
But that isnt an option. You would need to have an Audio 8 registered to buy the Upgrade, you cant just buy it, you have to qualify for it. A registered Audio 4 will NOT work.

 

Buy Full Pack Of TSP its worth.NI support is perfect with all this crossgrade offer that makes.(think the future)

 

OK, now I'm . Are you saying that someone who has a certified mixer would have to turn around and buy the Audio 8 as well? How are you supposed to register an Audio 8 if you don't have an Audio 8 but do have a certified mixer?

Another way of looking at it. What's to say that I can't borrow a friend's certified mixer, hook it up to my system, purchase the upgrade (which gives me the plug-in), reluctantly give my friend his mixer back and hook up my Audio 4?

Convoluted sure but the whole thing makes little sense. NI should remain flexible and realize that certain DJs don't need more than two inputs or whatever. Why penalize them?

 

No we are talking about the upgrade in relation the Audio 8 not the Certified Mixer . Your confusing things. .

If you have a Certified Mixer you would need to prove it and then get the Update... its called a Qualifying Product.

 

No, I'm not confusing things, I think you're missing my point about how the Scratch support is implemented. Besides, things were already confused judging by the amount of queries about this very subject - long before I jumped in.

You actually provided the key in your last reply -->

"If you have a Certified Mixer you would need to prove it and then get the Update... its called a Qualifying Product."

Which essentially goes the to point I made earlier -->

"The way this reads is that you can upgrade to TSP if you own an Audio 8 or if you have a certified mixer. From what Karlos describes, the DVS plug-in (which is what actually gives you the Scratch functionality) would have to 'check' that you either had an Audio 8 or one of the certified mixers"

 

Nope i understand your point.
This is how i understand it. I may be wrong here so bare with me and i will check the situation BUT:

The software doesnt look for anything to enable the DVS plug in.
Your version of Traktor Pro cannot be hooked up to your mates Certified Mixer and use DVS. Because your software itself has not been registered as Traktor Scratch Pro. this is the sticking point.

You have to upgrade YOUR copy of the software for its to use DVS and you would have to have a Qualifying Product Registered to your account.

For instance you can say to NI i have an Audio 8/Cert Mixer, please can i buy TSPro. They would need the Serial Number of the Audio 8/Cert Mixer
but if it was already Registered to someone else your purchase fails.

This is crucial. I may have this wrong, its my hunch, i will check.

 

Alright cool so i understand i have to get TSP in order to use my Audio 4 till some update comes up for TS. Now one of the reasons i purchased an audio 4 was to be able to have 2 set ups or a back-up pretty much. Just as TS allowed me to use it on 2 laptops will i be able to do the same with TSP under the same license?

 

Cool mate. Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh earlier. We agree that there must be/probably is some type of check as you pointed out. If this is indeed what is happening, all NI has to do is make this point clear on the TS Pro fact sheet and that should end most if not all of the confusion.

Oh and I actually don't have a friend with a certified mixer - I was just using that as a 'what if ?'.

My next influx of free spending money will be on a shiny pair of 1200s. While I am totally immersed in the digital world, I just have to have a pair of tables. When I get there, I personally plan on buying the upgrade package as I actually need a supported audio interface - I only have a RMX.

Hmm...maybe I'll wait even a bit longer to see if NI offers a timecode Audio 4 upgrade path.