B4 III in future

Discussion in 'B4 & B4 II' started by Chris Simon, Dec 7, 2009.

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  1. Chris Simon

    Chris Simon NI Product Owner

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    It would be nice to get a really honest answer to the question, if there will be a B4III or something like that... What about the guys using it with Receptor or with the Hardware Controller?

    Can`t understand, that one of the most worth products in NI product line is discontinued....

    Is it the commom call for just thousands presets, sounds etc....and ignoring the call for quality..... and individual products.... are the users so stupid just to get prewritten sounds....?

    Ok, if they have to rewrite the complete instrument....I understand that...but saying "no - no longer supported"....hey, that´s really making NI a fool of themselves!

    And the option with the C3 SoundBundle.....sorry......I want the drawbar control etc..... and not just samples...... I thought we had enough of the 80s preset units.....!


    I´m a true user since beginning of NI....But for the first time, I really doubt!


    Best


    Chris
     
  2. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Moderator Moderator

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    I switched to GSi VB3. By far one of the best things I ever did in my life. It's that much better :)
     
  3. geoelectro

    geoelectro NI Product Owner

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    Ditto!

    Geoelectro
     
  4. Umudo

    Umudo Forum Member

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    I am too gonna switch to GSI VB3, waiting for the update. I don't want to spend money for this version and for the updated one but it's far better than B4 II. (used demo version for trying & testing)
     
  5. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Moderator Moderator

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    According to Guido's own words, he only got the audio engine down for the updated VB3. He's doing it from the ground up. The update is at least a year away.
     
  6. BarnesVer6

    BarnesVer6 NI Product Owner

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    It's not all rosy with the 57'Organ, but in fairness you do get control over all the drawbars. I think if they packaged it for Kontakt instead of Kore it could go somewhere. My detailed evaluation is here.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98168

    I have no plans to jump VB3 yet. B4II is still working on my Sonar 64 bit daw. If the next version is 64 Bit I will but at the moment the VB3 is no more future proof that B4II
     
  7. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Moderator Moderator

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    Guido is working on a 64-bit version of VB3, which is also gonna be built from the ground up - meaning it will sound EVEN BETTER.
     
  8. Umudo

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    How do you follow what he's doing? :D

    I'm still using B4 II too, waiting for 64bit VB3, but B4 II's distortion and rotary is kinda odd for my use (old rock sound, deep purple, boston etc.).
     
  9. gambinski

    gambinski New Member

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    is this the end of B4II for us organ players

    i have been a dedicated B4 user - love it sounds great recorded etc - and was using the drawbar controller - also great. Then got a Nord C1 - terrific instrument but lets face it does it sound as good as B4 - hmmmm. The B4II has mapping and so you can convert the C1 into a B4II controller - ideal way to have a portable hammond (after some trial and error with midi channels) BUT B4 (first version) impossible to map (and is a bit glitchy in cubase - like note off commands go to all mdi channels very irritating)

    HELP Native Instruments - I have been on the hunt for a B4II but there are NONE anywhere - can we PLEEAAASSE have another version - i also run kontakt etc but now mainly playingi hammond and want that great sound back (have a listen to tracks on www.myspace.com/24pesos to get an idea of direct to desk sound)....IMHO this was one of best software instruments - ever and now it is gone

    Currently resisting the VB3 but for how much longer?
     
  10. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Moderator Moderator

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    E-mail? :p


    BTW, Guido is gonna release VB3 v1.3 with some enhancements and bugfixes, and Digital Performer compatibility! Also support for better MIDI Learn and even support for sustain pedal!


    Talking about a good developer... ;)



    @gambinski - don't resist VB3 any longer. It's simply superior, and the developer behind it is more supportive of his products.
     
  11. derrellbrown

    derrellbrown NI Product Owner

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    B4

    I just downloaded the VB3. I'll give it a try, thanks.

    You know I bought B4 in 1999 or 2000 before they offered the vox and other extra tonewheels. It won't run as a plugin anymore but still runs on my MacBook Pro in stand alone. I have B4II. I agree, way too distorted and the higher notes will knock your eardrums out of your head. I asked NI a long time ago about this and they said they didn't notice it. I guess that's why it did not get to anywhere near the sales of B4 and now it's discontinued. And '57 Drawbars or Drawbars "57, or whatever it is... you're kidding, right?

    These guys are in serious trouble. No product specialist for one of their largest markets in the world (US) and then make stupid decisions to discontinue products that put their company on the map... shameful. I just found out that I can't run any of there "discontinued" products in Logic 9 or MainStage 2.1.1 without running them in Kontakt 3.5+. Very awkward and overkill on the CPU. A simple patch... Come on NI, how about it?

    I've bought tons of your software. Give me a break!

    Dee
     
  12. Umudo

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    What do you mean you can't run them with Logic 9.1.1 & Mainstage 2.1.1? I use B4 II in some songs, and it still works for me in Mainstage 2.1.1 (32-bit)
     
  13. EvilDragon

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    And now that VB3 v1.3 is released with fixed bugs and DP compatibility, and enhanced MIDI learn, and sustain pedal support, there's really no freaking reason why not to abandon B4-II ship. :D
     
  14. derrellbrown

    derrellbrown NI Product Owner

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    MainStage 2.1.1 and VB3

    Yeah, I was not talking about B4II. It works fine in MainStage 2.1.1 just as you said. And you can't even run the original B4 or B4II in Kontakt, anyway. And I said I don't use B4II, anyway, because for me it has issues in volume differences in the notes on the highest octave and it's a little distorted, which other posters have found as well. I was referring to Akoustik Piano and Elektrik Piano 1.5. Native Instrument's work around is to revert back to MainStage 2.1, which I finally got hold of a copy. It works fine now. This appears to be an issue with NI not updating these programs to work in MainStage 2.1.1 without problems. I just wish NI would not completely abandon their programs just because they are discontinued. They could easily make a patch to make these two programs run in MS 2.1.1 instead of having to run them in a Kontakt shell inside MainStage. It just seems a little redundant. And I must stay with MS 2.1 if I wish to use these two progarms directly in MS.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    Dee
     
  15. derrellbrown

    derrellbrown NI Product Owner

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    Oh, BTW, I tried VB3. Killer replica. Works great in MainStage and Logic. Unfortunately, I'm having problems with it in Digital Performer 5.13 on my G5 MacOSX 10.5.8 (crash with report) and on my Intel MBP MacOSX 10.6.2 same thing in DP 7.1 (Unexpected Quit alert). My main DAW is DP and I need it to run as a plugin on my MBP instead of B4 which only runs stand alone on the Intel machine. As soon as I get the time I need to try a few things such as removing all my 3rd party AU and VST plugs and see if that eliminates the problem, but so far not as stable as I had hoped. I do like it though. Easy no-brainer B4 replacement. I'll buy it in a heartbeat if I can get it working right in DP.

    Dee
     
  16. Umudo

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    If you tried VB3 1.3 (latest version) that should work. Guido released an update 10 days ago, fixing issues with DP. If you're still having crashes with 1.3, maybe you should mail him when he is into it.

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    I find B4-II's percussion better. I still use B4-II for Deep Purple's Child in Time, VB3's percussion doesn't seem to be capable enough to make the sound (or i am not :p). Though i find B4II better in this view, I also use VB3 for some other percussion heavy songs too (like led zeppelin's since i've been loving you).
     
  17. EvilDragon

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    You can turn up the volume of VB3 percussion in Global Options! There's a lot of "hidden" options there, sweep them all. I usually put perc to max. It cuts through the mix like steel through butter, while still sounding sweet.
     
  18. JBlongz

    JBlongz NI Product Owner

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    VB3 is cool, but I find myself still using B4II even though I own Komplete 6. I think its sound is way better with more control over the parameters
     
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