believe me -feature request are bullshit!!

hi
a slight aggressive heading .bring me more looks
my english is not the best
we are not must learn english in our school in my country in my time
i have a little bit selfmade sometimes

ok
i like maschine very well but i would like to say:
i think ,nobody or the ni company produkt managers is reading 5000 request
i never reading this too
how many request are released in the last 4 years?
nine or ten of 5000 ?
the mostly standart requests are realized are
sidechain- midi input-vst automation pattern based - vst support-
multicore-lock automation button -real undo-offline timestretch-slice options-pattern name
its good .i am happy too

however
since 2009.
it lacks most simply standarts for producing and ending official songs
in sequenzing style with fun

this are for me :
mixer stems subgroups-
audiotracks with timewarp
note informations for each note
solo mute automation on timeline or pattern
different patterns in groups per scene -e.g.:aaab or abac
pattern inside looping-in pianoroll-playing in timeline as pattern
simply 2accents function of notes
50-100 procent quantizing,.......80 -95 is a good thing
groovequantize for each group -sound with strengh ..for groovy repeating microtiming
realtime in groove quantize global for beatmaking makes other beats accepted
track delay in ms for each sound for vocals or other instrument
timeshift editor as modulator for each 16thnote for groovy corected notes on kick snare or other
real timeline with cut und paste functions for selected patterns per drag and drop -
drawline automation in pianoroll for easy creshendis
filter envelope with deph in sampler
realtime timestretching for easy tempo change with voice audio
automations copys and presets for easy standart automations figures
realtime recording of scene and pattern change in maschine timeline
with a global automation track for solo mute volume etc.
vst multioutputs for kontakt motubpm -spark and samplers triggering and mixing
available scene surface menü on left side ,than remain solid surface as a song mode
ruler not between pattern and scenes,
because caotic lines on undergroundsurface at unequals patterns lengths

because killing in 1.8 and 2.0
you can make this return or better :
return of pattern view than remain solid surface
return of relative macros with orig.patchvalue on macro zero position
return of dublicate scene create new next free pattern and selectable
return of 1.8 scene view or available scene surface menü on left side ,than remain solid surface as a song mode
return of pattern import export

maschine must be a tool ,not a graphik art with unmusicaly workflow
i am not james dean ,but i think
they know not what they do
who are the counselors?


again partially...
groove quantize templates
in every groove music like latin -rock -soul -jazz- dnb- garage -house -2step -breakbeatjungle
or whatever
you have better groove with different groove quantizing and strenght on each solo track
with a little note-timeshift delay on note in a timeshift modulator for kicks or snare etc.
or 2templates paralell with the same etc.
thats as a live musicgroup after playing years
static swing quantize with same distance on delaynotes or straight notes, make more robotic groove,also in difference for sound or groups

the mpcs or electribes his groovetiming have a higher resolution as 96 ,
because jitter mididelay,trigger things in mpcs timing underground -
maschine timing is sample excakt - this is not the same
but good for coming soon groove temlates


also in dance music,
the groove microtiming from a instrument or song etc.is repeating until the end of a song
nobody, except the devil of timing ,can repeat this in realtime, in new notes,pattern, breaks etc

arrange tracks must going in a improvisation handling-scene change recording

tracks needs different parts in one scenes per group-
e.g :aaab or abac etc
that is standart composition style

acapellas must have tuning and time-stretching in follow of trying tempo change
solo, mute aux and volume automation track for scene and pattern :
many songs in danncemusic are only a solo and mute composition
with a little bit volume and auxdelay creshendis

stems are important for simplyer mixes AND SUBGROUP COMRPESSION ETC.

timeline without timeline-features like drag and drope cuts ,paste and copys of
parts in pattern is only useless .

the patterns are in a cryptet menü thats is a negative copi of regressive slow mpc handling
a drawline for automations in pianoroll is a must for fast and exakt creshendis
etc.
these are all since 2009 requesting in this forum
but ni ignored this ever
they make more actions for killing and bring back features
or complex browsing arrangements

why???
ok.
do not beginn a discussion maschine is daw or not
beatmaking must be funny
and arranging too

for comparison
maschine will have 1200 dollars
daws only 200-400 dollars
and a personally controller 100 -400
all the daws have mostly this functions
but only a groovebox like maschine could do this better funny as standart sequenzers

 

Maybe the MIPA 'Best DJ/Producing Tool' of 2014 just isn't the product for you?

 

many fine
i am produce , compose ,arrange and automate music, mostly with midi sequenzing
inside in maschine to maschine sounds or samples ,vstis and with fxplugins.

input play from midi keyboard, piano ,drum controller and mouseclicking .

this award is by djs and sample and audio loop producer institudes
more by people they using loops and not playing traditional instruments

 

Hmmm, I've never bought into the whole "professional equipment" argument.

Professionalism is in the producer. A good producer can make a decent track with the minimal of equipment and minimal features. A friend of mine (a professional sound engineer) once did an amazing recording of a band with only two mics and a two track tape machine.

Similarly a professional will work around problems and the limitations of the equipment they are using, to get the job done.

 

yes thats right
but,
stone-age romance is no solution
I can do that ,with a single bongo
the point is
what is today's music since 1990
and how get it the best result
its not to much requests
for 1200 dollar

 

Yeah,
but I`m a non professional user.
And in my opinion you must what ever you do - look forward an you have to try to make things better.
In case o f NI otherwise another company will do it.
For myself... a will work in an easy way.
I mean it´s not the best way to find a solutions for problems in my workflow. I will do it without problems.
So let`s work against... and let NI know, what we think about it.

Greetings

 

ok .me too

i am also not proffesionel
but
i use proffesional features
because my music will need this
for best arranging and sounds and beats are good
Besides others,
I would to do that with enjoy
and not sitting like on a shoolbank
with heavy change the parts there and back in ableton,cubase to maschine and return, after each new notes in a part ,or whatever


i am not looking forward ,because i am doing in presence
but ni is not looking for our requests since 2011
limitation will bring back creative moments
thats right
but it must be the right limitations
the limitations on your car, (no mature)
will not making you are a winner on your street

 

what you want, given it is a popular request and realistic, and what can be incorporated for a timely stable release are two different things. if you have ever written code, you will know it can be time consuming and tedious to make the simplest change. now look at how many pages of code m2......

there is a balance between stability and new features. if you ever used cubase you will know that it is packed with every pro production feature you could imagine, but some of the releases are not stable enough for live use and require one to back up constantly.

now the packaging of, made and packaged 6 months ago to present, k9U was bullshit.

 

Professionalism isn't the issue, unless you're willing to bring NI professionalism into the discussion as well.

And as far as the best dj product award, surely the judges have heard about traktor and ableton live right, for them to give the award to maschine is just ridiculous.

 

it depends on your use.. my mk1 running m2 sits next to my cello/bass amp and it is the best rehearsal tool currently available. it it much better than live using an apc40. i have not used push so i cannot make a claim there.

m2 is also an excellent DJ production tool as you can create nice loops in it to load into live or tractor. note the word production - for the dj's that are producing their own works. i use maschine created loops all the time when i dj and perform electronically. in fact i did so yesterday at an outdoor packed festival and found out how useless the colours are on the controllers as even in near sunset daylight you cannot see the button lights at all.

as far as direct live dj'ing, and not PRODUCTION, it would be easier to use live or traktor as both permit a crossfader. m2 was never intended to be just for live dj'ing, that is why NI makes tractor. now you can run it in live and enhance your dj experience.

 

The great thing about Maschine is being able to use it with a DAW. If Maschine standalone doesn't have enough for you, you should be able to do whatever you want when using it as a plugin. You can still do pretty much everything in plugin mode that you can in standalone mode.

Also, you can sync it with things like Traktor for DJs.

Like he said, it was named best producing/DJ tool. It can be used as standalone and you can make full songs, but it works best as a tool to use with your setup.

 

it's a given these things are subjective but I just think including machine in any dj oriented contest is nonsensical, as a production tool it's incredible but as a dj tool, live and other daws do so much to compensate for it's less formidable points that I don't see the point in bothering, might as well just give that award to Live. I think the worst thing about maschine is that the greatest thing about maschine is what you're able to accomplish with it when using it with a ableton.

 

i agree, i would find it very difficult to currently use m2 live as a dj tool without it hosted in live. for one thing, the load time is too long and the projects are more at a per song rather than per set, though you can using keyboard mode make each group a "song".

 

i have to disagree with you, well not totally but NI has listened to us somewhat... I remember when we wanted vst support, we got that. time stretch (all though not perfect) we got that, drag and drop audio and midi we got that, and my favorite unlimited groups.. I'm not saying its perfect, but for me its one of the best purchases i made in the last decade, that's why i continue to support NI, their products have always worked well and i haven't had any real big issues, Traktor changed the way i dj, maschine has changed the way i create music, komplete has overwhelmed me with sounds galore - i have Ableton push, and i won't lie i like what it does and it might be better than maschine at most things, but ableton has had years to develop into its current state.. and i still can't believe that maschine is only 5yrs old, its fast and reliable - and sure they could add new features as they should, but as for now, i think i could probably use maschine for 10 more years and still do magical things with ease. Oh yeah, we got side chaining too.. so they do listen, and if they didn't they would have been where motu is now with BPM, or even the spark which recently gained some life with Spark 2 software. They listen most of the time... And i'm happy to be a proud owner or their products.

 

i use both push and maschine studio but i use push much more. when maschine 2.0 broke batch midi i moved a lot of my production workflow out of maschine and into ableton live. now i'm wondering if there is any reason to keep maschine. off the top of my head i can't think of anything that maschine studio does that live + push can't do. right now my biggest reason for keeping maschine is all of the expansion packs that i have purchased. i do like many of the expansions. there's lots of good drum kits that's for sure.

 

to me sampling and chopping them with maschine is faster, better for my needs, and for some reason i stay more organized when using maschine, i love live and with push it makes it that so much better, but i honestly still do most of my work in maschine standalone, i like the feel of maschine hardware better than push (push pads are a little to hard for my liking) i love them both and i wouldn't want to have to choose between one, both of them are very fast and both you can lay down ideas super easy (push has a little upper hand though, with scales and steps being so easy to get to) but its not a competition for me, its how my gear works in harmony with one another... I don't want to fight with my gear to make it work, i don't want to be learning how to do something all the time, i want to play and have fun.. and these two give me that and together with my other software and gear i have a work environment that suits my needs and know i only choose software and hardware that fits into my setup, and for me it all revolves around maschine.

 

good points. i actually don't do much sampling or chopping but now that you mention it i do think maschine does those things very well.

 

moti bpm
for me the best softgroovebox -very intutiv and groovy .three dimension sound and groove templates and timeshift notes are very good
the only think i missed is :
more scenes
and automation graph for alll parameters in the racks
export of graph automation in daws
i use this in cubhase
this produkt is not updates since 2011

spark 1.6.1 has a microtiming error .but this version is very groovy
in 16.1.1 and1.7 and 2.0 the microtiming is more robotic
but me missing :
note off or real note lenghts
and longer pattern
and dynamic voices polyphony

geist is good but
me missing :
better sound engine
better and global automation handling for daws and midiexport of graph
flexible midichannell input on each channel
real polyphony
better image surface
quantized startpoints of pattern after realtime scene recording



mpc ren
has an old style complicated mpc overwiew
a good thing is the 50 -99 % quantizing after real play
me missing :
realtime swing knob
fxplugin automation
better track handling
realtime arranging in legato mode


maschine 1.8
i like this as sample player from daw
and the scene trigger
and the old pattern surface
and the transparent sound with this strongly transients
but me missingin 2.0:
groove quantize
scene change recording in timeline
locked pattern surface
lockes scene surface as songmode
the old timeline with same scene lenghts
audiotrack with warp and realtime timestretching
in 1.8 midi in and export


but i like all this groove boxes

 

The issue isn't just that they don't listen to requests, the fact that they remove things from previous versions in newer versions is something of a spit in the face to their user base, first they tell you that something is useful, and then they remove it at will, they are definitely something of an enigma at NI, they release some of the finest products on the market but their support is past being a joke and well into "Don't even bother with them"

 

Doesn't Bass Kleph use Maschine?