believe me -feature request are bullshit!!

Just started using Push and have to say that, ignoring their specific functionalities, I am finding it less well thought out compared to Maschine. Push's user mode (as supplied by Ableton) is a disgrace, the marking and lighting of the function buttons is dreadful, the positioning of the encoders is wrong (the number of times I have been adjusting encoder 1 and seen the display go blank because my hand has brushed the tempo or swing knob) and the way it jumps from being a Christmas tree one second to a virtual blackout the next (e.g. when switching from a midi track to an audio or return track) is quite disconcerting. Also, though I have been a Live user for many a year, I am not finding Push particularly intuitive for controlling Live (as opposed to step sequencing or pad playing which are fine.

I am hoping that as I start to use it in earnest the powerful step sequencing/modulation and pad based instrument functions of Push will persuade me to forget its shortcomings. My aim is to try and create complete tunes in Live using just 9 tracks and 8 scenes (I currently average 20 tracks and 30 scenes) having Maschine on track 9 handling bass and drums. Well that's the plan.

 

sounds like some peeps are butt hurt becos ni did not fulfill their own personal feature request, bo hoo

but what if they dont think ur feature request is a good idea?

 

So jpeg,

You got Platinum plaques from RIAA for tracks you produced using Maschine?

Because that is the only way I would think you qualify in your statements above. I am so confused how negative some replyers get to some of these posts. If your opinion, statement or rebuttal isn't constructive, Dude, you are not helping.

Some posters do get emotional like the OP did but the responses were seemingly based on people's experiences. What is the saying.....Dont criticize until you have walked a mile in their shoes or for this, created a thousand Maschine projects using their workflow.

 

Oh boy. The requisite show me your trakz post. That didn't take long.

Look it doesn't matter if jpeg is producing a grammy winning track or a two tone piece of crap. That doesn't stop Trent Reznor from using Maschine as is. Why should it stop you? Leave that whole childish show me yo trax garbage at future producers where it belongs.

 

mezzurias,

Really....So you grab hold of one part of the comment (like something you have seen on "future producers" [and no I dont know what that is]), and ran with it. If you didnt get the meaning of response, I will clarify that what I said (and what you compounded on) is that, there is no need for negative comments about someone looking for enhancements to help their workflow.

If that escapes your intellect, you could have kept your comment to yourself i.e., speak when addressed because basically I wouldnt give two nickels to your dollar, how many Platinum plaques anybody has. It isnt putting paper in my pocket.

 

oh and I would have used an expletive but b-righteous would have suspended my account...LMAO

 

Really, so why mention it at all? If you didn't really care about who is using Maschine and their credentials why even bring it up is all I'm saying. No one has to qualify for anything as you implied. Jpeg voiced his opinion, sure he was little curt about it but it is what it is. What he said is what everyone who has been here long enough already knows. All the bitching is the wold isn't going to change NI's mind about where they want to take Maschine. We may get a few features here and there but in general, they have their mind set on what they want to do. That's exactly what he said in a less polite manner. Bringing up his credentials doesn't add anything to the conversation.

 

If what you said is so correct about changing their mind, why did they bring back Midi Batch, then? You sound like you have some insight to what NI is thinking or you are in their inner sanctum, which most assuredly is not the case and then your rhetoric sounds like you just want attention. No one addressed you and unless jpeg is your significant other, I dont even get why you are speaking. Our back and forth conversation has come to an end. Peace Out!!

 

maschine is only a audio and midiloop player and a sampler box
simply beat making is not funny, because maschine dont groove
every ungroovy beat - i kill them ,before i use this
many people says .no problem you can make this in your daw
never trigger my car with another car
my wishes are global
i mean
the people of ni produkt managers and his counselor and award peoples
they have absolutely no knowledge
.ciao

 

there are things that are missing but figure out a way around it, cos maschine is still a great bit of kit

platinum dont mean ****, plenty of garbage sells huge amounts

in the old days great tunes were made with much less than we have available in maschine

so constantly bitching about **** is un-productive

 

not bitching about **** is un-productive
we make music separat
nobody from ni is reading this here

 

The bottomline is this (and everyone sans 2 people on this forum will agree), if you dont say anything, how will NI know if something is wrong or they can make something better (just like any other inventor, YFI). SMDH

 

if they aint readin why bother post

agreed

the only issue i is the repetition, after u state ur idea and over a period of time u see that ni dont implement, that means they dont agree with ur idea or it is not in alignment with the direction they are taking the unit.
at that point dont mention it all the time, cos then ur whining like a bitch
whatever feature aint there find a work around, it is what it is

 

yeah, here i agree, they did take somethings out that i loved... i remember in the first stages i believe 1.1, when you held note repeat you was able to get your keyboard or other midi devices to trigger the repeat... and something i truly miss is the compare and split feature, i loved that feature.

 

Yeah that was a cool feature. I was kind of hoping it would morph into an arpeggiator at some point.

 

hope

 

Much things came in and then later back out
the programmer makes machine to a end in itself
, experimental test software
he forgot: it is a tool and not a work of art
Clean packaged also
he can let nothing at his place
his nerves

 

They brought it back because it was feature they probably had to check off anyway. There are still some things that were in 1.8 that they are re-implementing. I did mention that if the feature request aligns with what NI wants to do already they will implement it, but I don't think NI wants to make an MPC or Live wannabe.

Since Maschine 1.x I can't really tell you what Maschine is to NI exactly. It doesn't get the same kind of love that Traktor does. Who knows really what NI wants to do with Maschine. Most people think NI is trying to make a DAW, i think NI is very happy with Maschine as a plugin for the moment and have no plans to turn Maschine into a DAW. I may be wrong but I see no indication that NI wants to make Maschine into a DAW and they have repeatedly refuted any feature requests or attempts to steer Maschine in that direction.

Like I said when 1.6 came out. VST support in Maschine was probably more because they wanted to dump Kore and needed something kore-like to house all of their plugins (Komplete) and to sell sample packs. Considering almost none of the Kore features, some of which seem like no-brainers since they already have the code, haven't made it to Maschine over the years

I'm of the opinion the NI themselves aren't exactly sure what Maschine is supposed to be. They want to support midi but don;t implement it fully, they want to support VSTs but don't support midi plugins. They want Maschine to run standalone but don;t give you the necessary features to truly work standalone. It all just seems confused to me.

That being said what they have there already is good. It works well, the hardware works well and the things that make NI great are present. it completely has potential but do we have to wait until version 3 to see that potential? I gave up asking for things a long time ago. When the Ren was announced NI changed. They stopped listening and interacting with the community, for obvious reasons. Like Apple they want to surprise us "with the next big thing" and that means they don't talk about anything to do with their product unless they are about to release something. Does NI even have a blog? Like Apple that means you get what they give you not what you want. I don't like it but its a valid business decision for a vertically integrated product like Maschine. You can't tip your hand to your competitor it could be the difference between releasing something that shocks people into buying and looking like a me too ( Ren).

It's sad to me because I remember when NI were more open and community centric. But they've been basically following Apple's business plan. They no longer present at Namm or MusikMesse or other trade shows. The only thing they don't do (AFAIK) is a Jesus show (keynote address), where adoring fans can wet themselves over the keynote speaker as he announces the MK3 or something. Their announcements are pretty low key and they smartly use the internet rumor mill to build hype with leaks, and closeup money shots of products they are about to release.

 

you knows it
money makes greedy

and imitate or daws does not matter
its a tool
waiting for potencial ?
what should be that
i am going to sleep