blank space at the end of stems

everything works silky smooth accept i cant figure out why the stems .mp4's i am making have varying amunts of blank space at the end of them so i cant use them in remix decks, i am making the patterns in maschine 2.5.0 stem creator 1.0.0.5, make a pattern and drag the individual sounds to the stem creator, maschine export audio option set for loop optimize im not sure if that comes into play.The patterns i am making are 1-2 bars but i get the same blank space at the end of both stems when i make them. Is it artifact effect still executing that i cant hear that is causing the blank space? if that's it i thought that's what loop optimization too care of. I tried to attach a sample but not allowed
I really appreciate your time in helping me deal with this

 

I could be wrong and there might be a way to use only Maschine to make stems, but the tutorials use Ableton.
Close attention to making sure each stem (channel) is needed when lining up the lengths before export.
Try it with loop optimize off, you are not making loops that need any cutting or change, in fact you need everything exactly as you hear it and to line up perfectly.
I made a few Stems in Ableton and had issues with one in particular when I had normalize on when saving, any change when exporting is no good.

 

Awesome idea but no love, I disabled loop optimization i also tried to put an empty scene in front of the scene with events but i still cant get rid of the long empty space at the end of the stem. Even if i just populate one of the 5 stem fields , drums, or synths whatever one i add to bam here comes the big blank space added to the end. It's almost like the stem wants a minimum of 2 or 3 bars to make a loop, can stems be for just 1 bar? is that the problem? I set all the samplers to adsr from one shot but that didnt help

 

I'd suggest you make your stems at least 30 seconds long, if not longer. I don't think the format wasn't designed for short pieces of audio. Also as stated above, I always use Ableton to export the stems before I use the stem creator tool to make sure everything lines up properly. I don't necessarily trust maschine for that since it relies solely on midi .

 

Yep I'm thinking Ableton or a DAW is the way to be sure parts being exported are exactly lined up.
But it would definitely be cool if NI optimized Maschine to make stems and loop based or multi style tracks.

 

I really appreciate all your advice and giving an ear for helping me with this issue not everyone is down for talking about stems especially in the beat making scene of south central Saigon, Vietnam.Honestly i can't believe i have to add live or a daw to this just to make a short loop stem. I realize now i was lost in space assuming i could use only Maschine to make stems i assumed it . My goal is to whip up a simple loop (when i say simple i'm talking simple like a 4 on the floor with an electric vice synth, making a bunch of those put them in a folder so i can pull them to my F1's. I can do that during a set just previewing in my headphones, but to add Ableton live to the flow, sure it's not building the pyramids or any big task but yeah it is when im just trying to whip up beats. Ok so then i am using a screwdriver for a hammers work i guess, stem's were not intended to be a real time integration into my Maschine studio, Traktor s-4 with F1's setup how can this be, everywhere i look at my workstation im surrounded by native instruments. So stems or more for studio production? that cant be because the F1's are being used to control remix decks, not just as midi controllers for production. And what's with the stems are not intended for short loops that's insane! look at the sample material for remix decks its loaded with less than 30 second loops, am i coming from Pluto over here?? Is this something to be fixed in later versions or is it safe for me to say stems are not for me? I am down for making it work if stems are used for what i am trying to do but i dont want to be the only person on the planet doing it because its to much work if thats the bottom line, im not sure.

 

I'll try using Maschine and test what your having issue with, I think your idea is something that should work. If it isn't possible or there is some export issue, I am pretty sure NI developers most likely
are unaware of it, or never thought of Maschine to be used that way.

The issue with only allowing a set length could be easily fixed by just creating repeating loops though?
Then use Traktor to loop it as you want or a simple editor to trim the audio to a smaller loop.
There may also be an issue with Traktor making the size of your stem a set length, also make sure the bpm of the Stem result is the same as it is in Maschine, if
Traktor is getting the bpm wrong and then when you loop it as a 1bar if the bpm is half or especially less then the loop will not fit correctly and have a space?

 

That was a chunk of good ideas im running through it now to see if i can get it to work.

 

I tried just using a shortened Stem I already made in Ableton, I made it 4 beats and it worked fine in Traktor, with no space.
I didn't try Maschine mainly because I only had a few minutes and the other file parts were easy.
I have a couple smaller Stems I have made 16 beats never any issues with lengths.
I am going to try Maschine though, it seems like a good idea and I need to use it more, its been hardly used.

 

please let me know if you can successfully create a 1 bar pattern in maschine, make a stem with the pattern and drop it into a remix deck and have no blank space added at the end of the pattern in the remix deck.
I am using a white studio, 2 F1's and an S4 for this attempt and failed

 

It worked fine.
A one bar loop. The only difference was that the Traktor Stem gave a bpm a bit faster, I am thinking that was because the loop parts of the drum in Maschine had a bit of swing added. Also I didn't untick normalize in the export options for Maschine which would be needed for the parts to sound correct once they are processed in the Stem Creator. As well I left it as loop optimize which I would probably not do for exporting stem parts(possible alignment issues?)
But it was quick to do really opens up some possibilities for quick Stems.
Here are some screenshots...

 

Oh also as you can see in the loop of the stem result in Trakors screenshot, there is space on each side but as long as the bpm is read correctly and the loop is set there is no space(silence) in the Stem track. The beginning is space for the lead in of course.

 

Oh one more thing I did go to each group and set the patterns to 1 bar in maschine since I was working with a larger track that I cut down for the test. My guess is that if I left any of the patterns the full four bars etc. that they may have exported longer?

 

ZEPHYR, you are awesome.
I just successfully (thanks to you) created a 1 bar pattern in maschine, made a stem with it and its on my F1's in traktor and it took about 30 seconds. I will immediately begin creating with this awesome process starting this second.

 

I am not proficient at stems yet, can you tell me what setting in the stems deck window will make the stem loop, i don't mean take a sample from the stem i mean just have the whole stem repeat when it hits the end of the stem, I am looking in the stems guide and can't find it.

 

So what was it exactly? The pattern length per group(Maschine)? Or bpm difference/loop(Traktor)?

Could you explain your use of small stems and the workflow a bit more?

 

Its in the Transport section in preferences, its the amount you set to be recognized as a loop, also I am not sure if you can set Stem tracks to loop/oneshots/tracks like you can other content in the browser. The looping always works best if you set the bpm correct and also the Downbeat marker at the very start of the grid.
If you are using a perfect 4/4 beat it should work well.

It is the same as tracks just find your start and hit a loop if it is a bar it would be 4beat loop.

 

no problem, i am doing super basic mixing with deck A-B,
C-D are both stem decks
I have my maschine studio right next to the S-4, when i know there is a transition going to happen from deck A to B and I think of a better idea for a transition beat from one of my maschine expansions, i quick whip up a pattern on maschine with the said beat turn it into a stem and drop it onto a stem deck, sometimes its so cool i loop IN/OUT in the stem on the S-4 but when i do that the stem just finishes and wont loop,
the stem will loop after i initially add it to the stem deck but if i attempt to make a cue point or loop in the stem which i can do, on pulling OUT of the loop the stem finishes its cycle then stops play prompting me to manually restart it.

 

its a 4 floor beat, the bpms in maschine and traktor are the same, im just going to get it working as basic as possible at first, everything appears to be working other than i can not get the stem deck to repeat the stem after i loop it in any way

 

Traktor will not loop if the grid is wrong and the sample or part being looped ends(not silence but actually ends) before the loop reaches the end to start again.
Double check that you don't have the green shaded area going past the waveform at all.
If it is set to 4 beats then 4 beat markers as my screenshot shows should be in between the loop brackets and also the main gridmarker at the very start.

If you set the loop to 8 then a 4 beat loop won't retrigger.
Oh also make sure snap and quantize are on, snap will make your loop start on beat, quantize helps trigger on beat.