Bring back the 'Current Playlist' + History

I agree that this is a bad change in the Browser workflow.
It was decided that adding a track to a deck does not add it to the Current PLaylist or Preparation Playlist.
I dont agree with this because you then have to drag the track from the Deck to the Prep list in order for the Load Next Track feature to work.

I often forget to drag a track to the playlist if i change my mind and load another track. Its easier to delete a track from the Prep list than it is for my weary brain to remember to add a track.

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Karlos

 

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No, its easier to add 5 songs than delete 40 or 50 each evening.
Traktor is a DJ software and no jukebox

For some person, I'm not willing to call them DJ's, Traktor should have only a single button -> "Do perfect mix" :angry:

 

Your missing the point.
Im using software which enables me to bring 1000s of tracks to my gig.
I prelisten to tunes and load them into a deck then i may change my mind and load another track. I may wish to play the previously loaded track later but i may have forgotten to load it to the Prep list. I can easily forget to include the track.

Not all DJs play sets that just have 20 songs in them. I play 100s in a night and change my mind a lot.

You dont need to tell me what Traktor is.

Also your last sentence doesnt actually make any sense.

What on earth does that mean ?

This could be an option in Preferences.

Karlos

 

Sorry, if you forget this, this is your fault not the fault of Traktor.
With the relative new drag and drop function this is very easy.
In the past, before using computers, you had to cue every song from a cd or a record. If you changed your mind you had to cue again.
When using records a typical practice was to turn records, you want to play, in the case for 45 degrees. If you changed your mind it was up to you, to do so or not.

This is the workflow of a DJ and this is what Traktor does.

Maybe I tried to translate it to straight from my native german language.
It's just about that some guys want that Traktor does everything automatically exactly as they need it, with one click, every little interaction is to much ...
Traktor should add Tracks to a list, automatically skip to next track, maybe auto beat mix ... everything with a single click on one button "start" or like I called "do perfect mix" ...
Maybe N.I. should really offer a Traktor Jukebox Edition

No problem with an option but in next major release it might be removed again because too many options would make Traktor too complicated (see endless discussion pro/contra automatic tag writing)

 

Hah. Right ok... i know its my fault.
The whole point of using software is to replace or improve old methods.

Im using a computer . I want it to do things my brain cant.

Ive been a Pro DJ for over 10years i know how it works. I started with vinyl. What the point of using a laptop if you restrict what it can do to an old traditional way of working.

You are missing the point completely.
Your point about "Traktor Jukebox" is completely irrelevant. I still pick the tunes and mix them with my vinyl.
I dont want Traktor to do everything. You arent reading me correctly. I want Traktor to do the things i cant do, which is remember stuff.

Ill do the DJing just fine.
If we go by what your saying we would remove most of the features.

Like i said make it optional. Then you can use your superior memory and i can rely on the software.

Feature: Auto Add Tracks To Preparation List on Deck Load (optional)
This was the default behaviour in Traktor 3.

Karlos

 

It's not a question of brain, of stupidity or intelligence,
it's just a question of a workflow ...

looking in a list of all cued track, because you forgot to "mark" a track you will play later, is not a real solution, it's just a workaround
it's like to have a autoplay function at end of track because you sometimes forget to press play
maybe Traktor Alzheimer Edition

If you would drag it in the current preparation list, you would only need a single click to have it back in a deck again, isn't that much easier than scrolling through a big list of songs you have played the last few hours and find the song in this list ?

Isn't load next track from list (mentioned some posts before) , exactly what a jukebox does ?

Once again, nothing against this option as long as it won't become (nonchangable)standard in one of the next versions (still remembering tagwriting odyssey)

 

Then, isn't load next vinyl from the stack you've just prepared 5 minutes ago, exactly what a jukebox does?

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The DJ is paid to entertain a crowd. The crowd doesn't care at all whether the DJ uses vinyl, a computer, or a jukebox.

Just entertain 250.000 people a year, by whatever human or technical mean, and you're a Big Gun.

At least, that's what I tell the DJs in my club, and 250.000 clients seem to be happy with that every year.

But I'm certainly wrong, as we even use mixmeister - what a SHAME !

 

If you use a "Load Next" key, function, button ... then you are right ...
I have no problem with a "load next" function,
my problem is that people are complaining that this function is not working if they
breaking a, let me call it "regular", workflow of playlist.
If you have set and play the songs in this order its ok to use this function.
If you breakup this prepared list with something other, doing 2 clicks more,
couldn't really be a problem ...

For sure you're right, but I don't know if it is really so easy ...
Do you remember the the scandal of Milli Vanilli, about 20 years ago ...
They are entertaining a lot of people, everybody was happy,
and in the end came out, they are not the real singers ...

 

You have no problem with a "Load Next" feature (which actually is like a jukebox) but you have a problem with a "Drag to Deck and Playlist" feature (which incidently i have made one button do anyway).
Your making this argument up.

Its not for you to decide what is 'regular' workflow.
Workflow is am amalgamation of choices made by the DJ with the options that the sofware provide. Limit the software and you limit the choices the DJ has to create his/her own style of workflow.

You argument is flawed.

I have no idea what this has to do with loading a song into a deck and a playlist that you current DJ from.
I fear you have finally killed whatever it was you were trying to prove.
That is the most ridiculous statement ive read in a while. It has no baring on the discussion.

Your obsession with the "jukebox" thing is irrelevant mate.

 

I have neither a problem with "Load Next" if you play a set, nor I have one with an option "Drag to Deck and Playlist", as long as it is an option ...
the only "problematic" thing for me was the argumentation and the combination of these points.

Maybe "regular" is not the 100% correct word, excuse me, english is not my native language. With regular I didn't want to define the one and only real workflow, this is indeed something I don't want to claim. Maybe "commonly used" is better .

"BPM Studio", one of the first DJ solutions, has also a Preparation List and every song you play from this list was removed. This seems, at least to me, more logical than adding every song I played.

this (Milli Vanilli stuff) was a thought in response to

so there is indeed no relation to playlist, but I didn't put it into it ... and when I look at the message I think my quote was correct, wasn' it ... ?
First I want to mentioned "Naddel" a "female german DJane" as negative example, but as it is an international forum ... no need for anybody to know her ...

 

Why not, simply, admit that many DJs prepare their sets?

Why not see that _some_ very big guns prepare them to the point that they nearly strictly stick to their playlist for 2 hours?

Joachim Garraud stays in the studio in Paris, and e-sends pre-mixes to Guette/Sinclar on the road. That's _production_, and that's a key part of the best DJ shows - and the result is _vastly_ superior to any impro I've seen. That's entertainment, folks! And the're nothing wrong with it - it's even what the crowd pays for.

To make a comparison: just go and see a concert of Steve Vai; there _seems_ to be many impro on stage, but Steve himself likes to say that it's all prepared - that's it's a _show_. This doesn't stop him to be revered as one of the gest guitarists on earth. Have a look at [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b0XwyeWNl0"]YouTube- Steve Vai: The Attitude Song (live at the Astoria, London)[/ame] and imagine the preparation behind that...

As a result, I think that an excellent DJ software should cope with the two legitimate extremes: DJs that swear by improvisation (and these nearly don't need any playlist at all), and DJs that like to prepare/produce (at leat part of) their sets at home (and Mixmeister/Ableton are kings in this area).

That's embracing a double paradigm; it's feasible - as soon as DJs will stop that endless and sterile debate on what's better, who's the pure DJ and who's a jukebox.

Just my grain of salt.

 

@gamma: I'm not against preparing set, in no way ...
I think this is really necessary in several occasions ...
as long you don't come to a club and play a premixed 8 hour mix tape ...

With Trakor you can play without preparation and you can also play a prepared set.
If you use load next track from your prepared list, why not ...
Traktor supports your workflow, great, that's how it should be (no ironic in this sentence !)

The point where I'm not with Karlos is the automatic addition of all tracks to preparation list.

the reason for doing so mentioned in earlier posts here were:

a) Dekker Dreyer: Load Next is not working if you play a song outside preparation list
b) Karlos, sometimes forgets to add a song to the list

my jukebox Edition comment was more related to Dekkers post than to Karlos, also I posted it in a result to Karlos ...

Also in current version 1.2.3 you can drag and drop tracks from one playlist to another so your problem should be solved, maybe in the time of your older post it wasn't possible.

 

What bothers me is that if I'm browsing my track collection and do one step:

1. load track into deck b

rather than the traktor blessed multi-step process

1. load into preparation list
2. switch to preparation list
3. load track into deck b

then traktor will continue picking tracks from my track collection, ignoring the preparation playlist.

I don't want to get into these petty arguments of, "you're not a DJ because you don't go through the same workflow as I do." I create my playlists on-the-fly, often times changing my mind as the crowd waxes and wanes. With the old version of Traktor I could just throw another song in and keep going.

With the new version I risk Traktor picking songs without my blessing. That, to me, is a bug. As long as that bug remains, and the old version of Traktor continues to work (works great with Windows 7), I will not pay to upgrade. I like some of the improvements of Traktor Pro, they just need to fix the playlist problems. Judging from the length of this thread it seems that others feel the same way.

 

Are you using cruise mode, or where is the problem?

You load a track into Deck B.
After Deck A has finished you go back to Preparation list
load next track into Deck a.
Now it should continue going through preparation list.

 

Yes, cruise mode.

 

I think Karlos started the thread with other intension at a time where T Pro lacks some features currently available.

Without the ability to speak for NI, as a customer as you, I have the feeling, that the cruise mode is more an add on to Traktor and than a main feature.

Maybe there should be more different list types instead of adding everything in one type ...

I would suggest

- a preparation list, like currently implemented, just to place songs you
intend to play, sometimes in the future, with option that played songs are removed

- a cruise list, with special functionality for cruise mode

- a extended, complete history where every song is listed,
you touched during current session (especially for Karlos )

and as a special I would like to have a lookup list
a list where all songs are listed, I played before or after the currently playing song in the past using informatin from history playlists ...

 

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+5
I want the old workflow back...
I keep it short... This S****.
Loading to deck from collection(search) should add to preparation list.
I can't see the improvement except that you can select the list you want to use.

 

I think nohiphop's idea is a good one. This would allow the old or new workflow, or some combination between them.