broadcasting with traktor

it's me again!

this time I need help on something else. I have read that Traktor 2.6 doesnt support ShoutCAST but does support icecast so i got icecast but i dont know how to set it up so that my friends can listen to my mix. I went in the "setup" in traktor and then to the "Recording / Radio" section but i don't understand what all those things are. I do use a router so my IP is 192.168.2.xx but i dont know much else. If someone could help me set it up that would be great. By the way I have a 3100 kbps dl / 350 kbps ul so I think it will be ok to broadcast @ 128 kbps for a few people

 

hmm well to be more specific, i need help with finding out what to use as my address like the thing before the :8000 (xxxxxxxxxx:8000) i want to run the broadcast through my computer and not through some other server. I have a router and i have port 8000 - 8010 forwarded. But if i do use the IP as my address which one should i use? (the one that the router gave me, the original IP, or something else?)

 

have you performed a search first? there are several threads regarding the broadcasting issue and a big text from phil, which explains a lot...

 

well i did read this http://www.nativeinstruments.de/site/forum_de/showthread.php?t=23599

but it doesnt specify which IP, and i have tried all 3 combinations but it just sais "Page cannot be displayed"

 

This is where the bulk of the problems people have in setting up broadcasting come from.

First off you need to find out what the IP address of the server running ICECAST is. (probably like 192.168.1.2 or the like)
Second you need to find out what the WAN address of your router is (e.g. 64.28.116.32)

Third in your router setup you need to port forward port 8000 on your router to the ICECAST Server IP Address.

This allows the router to accept connections on port 8000 and feeds the traffic to the Server.

You will need to tweak your Brodcast URL settings a bit and you also need to remember that inside your fuirewall/router network the address you point to to get Winamp or WMp to connect to is different than outside. client inside the firewall cannot connect to the WAN router interface so they must connect to the ICECAST server directly.
So by example....
for you have a registered domain called SpankThis.com and www.spankthis.com is registered in DNS to 64.28.116.32, your broadcast URL you give to the world would be

http://www.spankthis.com:8000

system on your private network inside the firewall would connect using the following URL

http://192.168.1.2:8000

You may need to tweak your Broadcast settings in Traktor to use relative URLs so that connections work inside and outside the firewall simply experiemnt and see what effect changes in Traktor have to the URLs placed in the Directory entries on XIPH and on the Web page on your ICECAST Server.

if you need information on how to setup port forwarding then I suggest you get and read the manual for your router and lookup subjects like port forwarding or virtual servers in the manual.

Clear as mud? Feel free to ask questions...

Phil

 

hmm well i got a domain name

ralf.mixxradio.info which redirects to my WAN address and used it as the stream URL

also the port 8000 is forwarded in both TCP and UDP in the virtual server window in the router for my IP.

the IP is 192.168.2.1
my IP (that the router gave me) is 192.168.2.10 which is manually configured and therefore doesnt change within the IP pool.

This is what the traktor configuration looks like:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7733/trak0ux.gif

This is what the Icecast configuration looks like:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6753/ice2pl.gif

I start the Icecast server, click the "On Air" button on traktor, check the icecast server stats and nothing, no connections or anything, all 0.

I go to:

192.168.2.1:8000 >> Page cannot be displayed
ralf.mixxradio.info:8000 >> page cannot be displayed
ralf.mixxradio.info:8000/progressive.ogg >> page cannot be displayed

does anyone see what im doing wrong? if anything

 

OK, uncheck Proxy use a direct connection, you aren't using one, your router isn't a proxy (what make/model is it?) and you don't have a proxy between you and the ICECast Server so its not necessary and an incorrect setting if I understand your setup properly.

Am I correct in assuming you are running ICECAST Server on your Traktor machine?

The pieces of info I don't have is the Traktor client IP and your ICECAST Server IP if the server is on a seperate box?

Also from the error you are getting it seems like ICECAST Server is not running. The server application has started but the Stream server isn't running. Do you have the green bar in the Server window?

Phil

 

ok i did direct connection but icecast still will not recognize any sources. The icecast server has started, and yes it is running on the same computer (IP 192.168.2.10). The only time i saw icecast recognize traktor was running was when all settings (traktor & icecast) were at default. I went in to change the name of the stream and all the other fields and now it doesn't. I just thought it would be usefull to say that because it acctually does work but there is something wrong with one of the settings and i just can't figure which

 

hmm mount path maybe?

its is the only setting i dont have in my config for icecast that is in traktor

 

Attached you will find a pic from my Traktor Broadcasting settings which is connected to my ICECAST Server box whose local address is 192.168.1.248

Here is my ICECAST Server Config.

<!-- This config file contains a minimal set of configurable parameters,
and mostly just contains the things you need to change. We created
this for those who got scared away from the rather large and heavily
commented icecast.xml.dist file. -->
<icecast>
<limits>
<sources>2</sources>
</limits>
<authentication>
<source-password>srcpwd</source-password>
<relay-password>rlypwd</relay-password>
<admin-user>admin</admin-user>
<admin-password>adminpwd</admin-password>
</authentication>
<directory>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
<yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
</directory>
<hostname>www.djscanf.com</hostname>
<listen-socket>
<port>8000</port>
</listen-socket>
<listen-socket>
<port>8001</port>
<shoutcast-compat>1</shoutcast-compat>
</listen-socket>
<fileserve>1</fileserve>
<paths>
<logdir>./logs</logdir>
<webroot>./web</webroot>
<adminroot>./admin</adminroot>
<alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
</paths>
<logging>
<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
<loglevel>3</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
</logging>
</icecast>

Just curious do you have a firewall running on your Traktor box? If yes have you run with it disabled?
Also in Tracktor in the ICECAST SERVER SETTINGS section have you tried using 127.0.0.1 for the Address?
Also, try turning up your log level to 4 on the server and see if you even see a connection attempt.

Let us know if this helps. FWIW the firewall if enabled maybe an issue. You can also get me on MSN Massager if you want to at jplewis01@comcast.net

Phil

 

OH VERY COOL Phill

icecast now sees traktor as a source, still dont know what the problem was. I replaced all the fields but the essentials (IP and hostname) and it works fine now. I'll try changing each field one by one until i figure out what screws it up. Thanks

 

although there's still a problem, whenever i go to this link

http://192.168.2.10:8000/example.ogg.m3u which is the correct link, and winamp opens, it sais "404 file not found http://127.0.0.1:8000/"

then the other link "ralf.mixxradio.info:8000/exammple.ogg.m3u" doesnt work at all

and yes i do have .ogg codecs for winamp

even though the problem remains im still happy that icecast recognizes it

 

Ahhh good... progress. Easy problems to solve... if you save the .m3u file to disk you can open it in a text editor. If you can't download it you may have a file permissions issue going on 404 is a an HTTP file not found we need to determine is its the .M3U or the target the M3U points to. If you can download the .M3U then you know its the target. You then need to look to ensure the target is available. at the specified path. Typically problems at this level relate to incorrect pathing in the icecast config or the ICEs clinet config (traktor settings)

You should expect that if you are trying to access your Icecast stream from the local network using DNS names that it will fail. This is because you cannot reach the WAN interface connections from the local network when you are on the local network the only way you can get to your ICECast server is by IP Address or if you have a DNS locally you can add a host entry for your ICECast server.

Phil

 

ok i opened the .ogg file with notepad and this is all i can see

"http://ralf.mixxradio.info:8000/example.ogg" without the quotes

 

You will be pleased with this attachment I'm sure.....

Tiesto Came through crystal clear... Although looping in Yilmaz was a little rough... lets get your local address problems solved....

Try connecting to your ICECAST Server with the following URL...

http://192.168.2.10:8000 you should get a page like the one in the attachments from there you can use the 'click to listen' link which is correct.

Anyways was pleasure to tune in!!!

Phil

 

oh nevermind, it appearently work for everyone but me, go a friend to try it and it worked for him so its cool

ahh u beat me to it phill! heh, i wasnt trying to mix just didnt want to slap on the tracks tho. IT WILL BE BETTER NEXT TIME FOR SURE

thx for all the help

 

hello
i have try icecast as you write it...tracktor connects to the icecast server but, winamp buffering is ok, but there is no sound...i have test it on 2 pc (local network), but still no sound...it connects, the seconds minutes going but there is no sound.....






ooops...with the original laptop sound there is all ok, i must to see my Final Scartch2 routings... ))

 

Ok heres my issue!...I really need help!........I have set everything up correctly......The stream shows up on ICECAST.ORG.....But when I or someone else tries to connect....It starts to download the file instead of playing the audio!....Sometimes it gets stuck at CONNECTING......But never plays??......PHIL I NEED YOUR HELP!!!!!!!

 

Help guy’s after all this good threats I still can’t make work traktor with icecast2.
Here is the code that I’m using:

<icecast>
<limits>
<sources>2</sources>
</limits>
<authentication>
<source-password>srcpwd</source-password>
<relay-password>rlypwd</relay-password>
<admin-user>admin</admin-user>
<admin-password>adminpwd</admin-password>
</authentication>
<directory>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
<yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
</directory>
<hostname>192.168.1.248</hostname>
<listen-socket>
<port>8000</port>
</listen-socket>
<listen-socket>
<port>8001</port>
<shoutcast-compat>1</shoutcast-compat>
</listen-socket>
<fileserve>1</fileserve>
<paths>
<logdir>./logs</logdir>
<webroot>./web</webroot>
<adminroot>./admin</adminroot>
<alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
</paths>
<logging>
<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
<loglevel>3</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
</logging>
</icecast>

??????????

 

Chile,
I'm not certain about this of this so take it with a grain of salt. There should only be one port entry per stream and I think when I made a similar mistake that the second port selection override the firsts and clients like winamp will then use ports 8001 & 8002 (8002 is implied when 8001 is specified.

Before you try to get connections from outside the firewall try getting connected by pointing a web browser at http://192.168.1.248:8000 or 8001 you should get the webpage from the icecast server.

FWIW once I got the broadcasting working and understood how it works, I evaluated Shoucast server and switched to it. The primary reason being that shoutcast supports MP3 streaming the Traktor ICEs client only supports ogg. I'm hoping that Traktor 3 will change that don't hold your breath. In reality neither system is difficult for me to setup. However you need an understanding of netwirking and to get the firewall issues squared away.

Phil