Can't adjust Audio+MIDI Settings in GR2

I am currently using GR and GR2 as plugins to cubase. I currently have a latency issue and after searching this forum came to the conclusion I need to adjust some settings in the audio+midi settings selection under the file menu of GR2. Only one problem, there is no "File Edit View ?" toolbar (see attachment), and I cannot maximize the GR2 window. Please help, guitar rig is useless with this much delay.

 

Anyone? Could some one suggest were I might be able to get some help on this issue, I'm at my last resort.

 

...but should this menu be visible at all inside Cubase? Sound & Midi settings are logocally global when using a host; hence you adjust your stuff from a menu in Cubase...
In Standalone mode, you can use F10 to activate the menu-bar (and then use Alt + arrow right / arrow down to navigate), and F11 to 'fill the screen'. This usually will make any windows outside the screen 'fit to screen' as well, so it may be your rescue...

 

So you are saying I should be able to adjust these guitar rig settings in cubase. If this is true I have been unable to find them. I will say the problem might be cubase because I have the same amount of delay with a dry signal through cubase, as I do with a wet signal colored by guitar rig. One more thing, when I change any of the latency settings in cubase anything that I have previously recorded gets this distorted sound. The best I could describe the sound is kind of a reverb or chorus effect. I'm guessing its whats commonly referred to as propagation delay.

 

I GIVE UP! This site and forum has been no help. Unless I get this much needed fix I doubt I will ever purchase a native instruments product again! At least Line 6 knows how to treat their customers.

 

"I GIVE UP!"

3 increasingly common words around here. Bear in mind - although NI hosts this site, they interact here very, very rarely. I've said it many times: it's inexcusable. The only help you'll get is from another user who happens to be using the same host you are. Problem is there aren't very members here, traffic is slow, so if you get any results at all, it takes a while.

Back on topic... Based on what you wrote, I don't think your issue is GR-specific at all. Either your host or your sound cards ASIO setup will determine your buffer size and latency. If distortion occurs at low latency, it is likely that either your PC or your soundcard aren't up to the task.

What soundcard are you using? Can you describe your PC in detail? Do you have this same problem when you run GR standalone?

 

The sound card is a SB audigy 4, as far a the PC goes I don't have the specs right in front of me so until I can go home and check all I can tell you is it is a new compaq presario with a celeron processor. As far as I know I can't run guitar rig in stand alone mode, I installed it as a plugin to cubase and the only time I have used guitar rig is while cubase it already up and running.

 

I am sorry to say it, but I think you're going to have a hard time with that hardware. A Celeron CPU is probably not going to be fast enough to get you down into the sort of latency you'd need to be happy playing Guitar Rig in real time, The Soundblaster is also suspect. Although some of their newer cards are relatively powerful, ASIO and ultra-low latency support are not well-developed. Are you running demo versions of GR1 and GR2? I would be surprised to hear that you invested in both versions of software without considering an investment in a more powerful PC?

I'd recommend an upgrade to a Pentium 4 or an Athlon system if you're serious about Guitar Rig. Then again, considering my level of success, giving up is also a reasonable strategy.

 

I know you said the celeron could also be the problem, but what sound card(s) would you recommend, and what are they going to cost. I dropped over a $100 for my current card, but was considering another that was near $300. I did buy GR2, but the GR1 I use is a demo. I sure did spend alot of cash to find out my hardware is inferior.

 

No two ways about it, music tech by way of a PC is an expensive game. If you do not have the RK2, then I would recommend a soundcard from a vendor that specializes in music production hardware, even at the consumer level. The soundblasters are more general-purpose, with performance aimed primarily at the gaming market.

Picking a sound interface gets pretty subjective, but in your shoes I'd probably look at the Presonus Firebox, or maybe the MAudio 410. Personally, I'm using a Firepod, but that's a whole lot more money. You could also look at something a little older and PCI-based, like a Delta 44. With the preamps in the RK1, this would suit you fine. But if you have neither controller, you'll need preamps w/ your sound solution.

But with all that said, I'd still be wary of investing more money without first considering the speed of your PC. If you do buy a new soundcard, try to confirm first that you can return if GR turns into a dead end for you.

 

Hi Chaps,

Bossnova.... don't fling the Audigy just yet. Have a look at the KXProject ASIO drivers (www.KXProject.com) before you do. I am still on the 'notorius' SBLive, but I have a latency of 5ms and GR1 plays as sweet as a nut.

A word of warning though, the drivers are pretty complicated and comprehensive if you start or need to mess about with the settings. It took me a little while to come to grips with them, but it was well worth the effort.

Hope this helps... it's as much as I can suggest.

regards,

Keith

 

Hello again,

Ooops... didn't see the Audigy 4 .....

KX may not be suitable....

Sorry!

Keith

 

kx project was the first driver I installed, and it didn't work. why do you say kx might not be suitable with an audigy 4 card?

 

Can anyone explain why he said kx project might not be a suitable driver with the sb audigy 4 sound card, anyone?

 

I *think* that the KX driver only works with the older SB Live cards and the earlier Audigy cards...

KX Support forum is here:

http://www.driverheaven.net/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=67

 

Hi BossNova,

Sorry for the delay but I've been a-working and I've only just got back to the world of NI.

The KX project drivers work only on certain chipsets - normally those of SBLive and Audigy/Audigy2 soundcards. I didn't 'twig' you'd an Audigy4 until I reread after I'd posted... Have a look at this link: it is a full list of supported cards.

http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en#cards

I'd be taking these drivers off completely and re-installing the original Audigy4 ASIO drivers and see what happens to your latency?

Sorry for the confusion.... and best of luck with your 'quest'.

Keith

 

Ok before I uninstall drivers, I checked the specs on my hardware. My hardrive size and available ram are more than adequate, that only leaves my processor in question. It's a celeron D with a clockspeed of 2.93 GHz. Remember, I am running cubase with GR2 as a plugin. So its narrowed down to one of two problem #1 a driver isssue with cubase or #2 my processor is too slow. Which would you guess it is.

 

Hi Bossnova,

As far as I can see, the problem has to be your audio drivers - as the KXproject will ONLY work on the SBLive / Audigy2 platforms.... NOT the Audigy4, which is your declared soundcard. With the best will in the world, I would not expect anything but trouble with the KX drivers as your system stands.

The proper Audigy4 ASIO - as per the original CD install - will most likely be better than what you have at present.

Regards,

Keith