CDJ 2000 + Advanced HID

Ok...
So.. whats the deal? When is NI going to listen and add Advanced HID control to support the new industry standard decks? I mean its ridiculous...

They are 1st to support the CDJs but even for someone that doesnt scratch (like myself) they are almost unusable and very unstable. Not to mention the lag...

I own an SL1 from Serato which i took out of my closet, blew off the dust and tried to use.. so so solid using the latest Serato software 2.2.. YES in HID advanced mode..

How is it possible, that hardware from 4yrs ago + the updated software can completely KILL Traktor? Ive been using TSP 1.2.7 and more importantly Traktor software for the last year and a half and have reverted back to Serato for its simplicity and ZERO lag on advanced HID.. :lol:

When i mean zero lag.. i mean ZERO lag. Why cant Traktor match and be ahead of the game? Ive happily been using my X1 and A+H DB4 to mix no issues.. but im super upset that NI cannot get their act together and support the industry standard decks.

What a joke? Is Traktor 2 going to offer advanced HID for use with CDJ2000?

Come on guys...
Niko

 

I agree,

i own a pair of CDJ-2000s and use Traktor Scratch pro on a Macbook Pro and the scratch feature is pretty much un-usable. Also the platter in the middle spins like its almost jumping.

There is no wave on the cdj (something which i believe Serato already has) and a major problem for me is that if another DJ is using Traktor with the CDJ2000s and i turn up to the club to go on after him there is no way of unlugging the decks one at a time into my laptop without the software crashing. Therefore i would have to use the audio 8 and my X1.

I have been searching the net for more information about the new Traktor 2 when using it with the CDJ2000s and have failed to find anything. Im desperate to pre-order the new software but im hesitant incase any of these flaws have not been corrected. Can someone from NI please respond and give us some more information about using the "Industry Standard" media player with the new Traktor 2 software?

Thanks

Jay

 

its ridiculous. i can confirm that serato does show the wavforms and that there is zero lag.. seriously NI. i understand that maybe you are aiming at controller market or perhaps time code guys but you cannot fall behind with regards to HID control when it is the way of the future.. particularly with the industry standard decks and especially when your number one threat (hint: serato) is in a completely different league with regards to this.

ive been a faithful user of tsp for a long time.. can you pls shed light as to whether or not T2 will feature full advanced HID capability for the CDJ2000? i want to buy it but will do so only if I know it will support the latest decks (which have already been out since end 09!)

noone from NI is coming back to the public with regards to this.. why shy away?

 

The fact that no one from NI has responded to this worries me even more about the new software :-(

 

Been also waiting HID advanced to cdj2000's over a year now.

 

I'm also eager to hear from NI regarding this. I'm about to buy a pair of cdj-2000's and it would be a shame if what you guys are saying is true.

 

May'be they are beyond late on fixing this but with a major version of the software rolling out in less than two weeks they are likely so focused on that. If HID works in Serato that's a friggin' bonus. One day all this stuff will work in both but you switched to Traktor for a reason and until then try to find a work around like timecode discs or something because if in two weeks you're still attempting to use HID in TSPro 1, you should be trying it and complaining about it in TSPro 2 so that they will fix it faster. Also realize that if Pioneer didn't come up with a fix either then they're half to blame, especially for taking all that cheddar from Rane and their cheesy rooftop poolside promotion parties for a 2nd place product. Nice effort but hands down, everyone knows Traktor would kick some mean Serato's @$$ in a cage fight so if Pioneer works HID in Serato now great! That works fine for the people during the timeframe when TSPro 1 was all we had but if it's not working in TSPro 2, NI better fix it because TSPro 2 without the fix eventually could require a serious explanation.


Rant: Why the hell doesn't Pioneer just come out with control decks? (don't answer)

 

Really sorry but can anyone else understand that last post or is it just me?

What's the point in using timecode discs with the cdj2000s you might aswell save a few grand and use 1000s cos there is no difference when using timecode discs.

And your last comment...why don't pioneer bring out kontroller decks....that's what cdj2000s are they are 2 separate controllers for traktor they connect using USB....no timecode discs and no audio8 soundcard.

Am I being out of order here or have I missed the point?

 

I don't get why you are still discussing this issue before Traktor Pro 2 is available. I assume that they implemented proper HID for the CDJ2000 and probably other popular devices in the new major release and and just don't have time to also do this for the "old" Traktor version in the first place.

Also working in a software development environment I know that the closer you get to the release date, the more effort is spent on developing the new version, which usually means that the, let's call them "Existing Product Care" developers, are also occupied with developing the new version.

I also think that a company like NI cannot afford to ignore something like this, as it probably is a reason for some people to prefer SSL over TSP.

 

I hear your point, the lack of HID on the old software is frustrating however the main reason for starting this thread was to try and shed some light on the new software and whether it will have advanced HID for the cdj2000s because as of yet no one from NI has even discussed this issue yet. A few of us here on this thread all own TSP and cdj2000s and are keen to upgrade to the new software but want NI to confirm improvements with the new software before we pre order as this topic has been completely ignored by NI

 

I'm a CDJ2000 HID user since february 2010 and never had issues after the 1.2.6 update. The reason is, more & more clubs switching to the industry standard decks. So it's easy to hook up with only USB cables when you enter a club. When NI is gonna support HID with all functions, they will not sell any of their audio devices anymore. They can implement a 'HID support add-on' where you must pay for.
My advice for stable HID support: Midi over USB, audio over UTP on the CDJ. Rekordbox is WAY stable!

 

Nikarga....can you unplug one cdj at a time and then swap laptops for another Dj to go on using serato? This is a BIG issue for me the fact that you cant switch off one of the cdj2000s let alone unplug the decks one at a time without the software crashing. It doesn't even work most of the time when a Dj has been using CDs and u turn up and setup while the cdjs are playing CDs. Both decks need to be not playing anything and colaberated together for it to work properly. Hope these issues are all corrected for TSP2....

A glimmer of hope....recently watched a video of carl cox playing at kazantip using TSP and cdj2000s....if it was the new software then surely he wouldn't touch it if it lacked in HID

 

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Hey Jay, im not sure as i have it as a home setup.. at any venue i play i havent used the cdj2000s yet so i dont know what problems arise (if any) during the switch..

What i can say though to everyone else who is backing NI and their so called "focus" on TP2 is this:

I dont care if they are focused on releasing the new version.. I dont care if they are busy trying to implement full HID functionality with the CDJ2000 right this very minute. Im annoyed at the fact that the decks have been released for OVER 1YR and we still dont have full support. That... is absolutely pathetic. Serato may be basic in functions compared to TSP and hands down as a piece of software kit, NI has managed to up its game and iron out all the bugs.. Its far more advnaced than any other DJ system (with the exception of Live) so kudos to them.

As many of us play regularly and do it as a full time job, their top priority should not be their marketing of future products but dealing with the needs of TODAYS modern DJ's and ensuring that when it comes to performance to be at the forefront of new technologies.. Serato were 2nd to support HID control but they made it work flawlessly FIRST. Maybe their a smaller team, less products and more basic.. But they appeal to todays DJ's because they LISTEN and they REACT first.

I ask you all this:

1) What good is it to me, you and everyone else that needs to play at a venue that rocks the new CDJs when you know that you cant use them efficiently using the CURRENT software?

2) Lets face it.. timecode is dead and HID is the future. And for those that dont think this... wait another 6 months and you will see. So the system that wins the race will be the system that provides bug free performance with the all the industry standards.

3) Pioneer has long been number 1 maker of CD decks.. they ARE the industry standard and more and more serious venues have adopted the new 2000s. They've been out since Dec 09... its Mar 11 people and you still cant use a product that is turning 1.5yrs old in 3 mths time... Ridiculous.

NI look.. I LOVE TSP. I own Maschine, TSP 1.2.7, an S4, Audio 8, and various plugins including Massive, Battery and Absynth... But you guys... come on and get with the program. LISTEN to your loyal fans. Meet the needs of the modern DJ today by providing updates that will ensure you never drop from 1st place.

As for you buddy (referring to the guy asking why Pioneer doesnt come up with a decent controller)... what planet do you live on? Pioneer has already released a traktor ready controller ala the S4 (google Pioneer DDJT1)... Furthermore, the CDJ2000s are the most advanced and tech capable decks/controllers on planet Earth right now...

Amen.
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MPB i hear you.. the reason were discussing it dude is bec before i shell out MORE money to NI.. I want to know the answer to a very important question. Ive already spent 4 grand on CDJ2000s.. if i cant use them with TSP2 why pay to upgrade when i can just stick to Serato?

The point of this thread is not to compare SSL vs TSP.. the point of this thread is to get answers from the tech guys at NI that have shy'd away from answering a very important question to all those that own CDJ2000s.

Lets forget the fact that for 18 months they've done nothing about it. Lets also assume that EVERYONE and their mothers are busy ironing out bugs before official launch. I get it. What scares me is that NOONE has come back with an answer as to whether or not TSP2 will support full advanced HID with CDJ2000s.

Do you expect me to pay to find out the hard way?

lol... i dont think so.

 

Dude, all I wanna do now is drink a beer with you. You couldn't have said all that better. And I have reason to believe the people with the answer actually do see these threads, but the answer doesn't come, and that is worrying. I for one still believe HID support should be fixed in TS1, out of principal, regardless of whether TS2 will have it fixed or not (just like the damn FLAC issue).

 

You want to know what the worst part about it is, after reading this thread... after he dusted off his SL1, he downloaded the updated serato for FREE!

Looking at the main page and viewing some of the new features of traktor 2, it looks like most of the features serato has had forever, colored waveforms, sampler/loops, etc. I hope there is more to this update then just what has been mentioned on the main pages.

And can we get some +1's so we can get NI to offer VIDEO support.

And btw Nikarga you are my hero! Lol. Viewing alot of threads on this forum with valid issues, or complaints, I have noticed alot of them are closed, with no responses to them from NI support, feels like everyone's questions/issues are being ignored.

 

f*** it. I just wrote a huge reply and then lost it because of the auto-logout. So here's a quick summary of it:

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you. NI must provide full HID support for the CDJ-2000 (and others, as well), no question about it.
The only thing I wanted to say is, wait for April 1st. I can imagine that they focused on implementing it on TSP2 and are going to adopt it to TSP1 after the big launch. At least I hope so.
If the don't, you can (and I will also) start complaining here again.

You don't have to spend any money to find out about HID support in TSP2. Seriously, less than an hour after the download is available, you will get all your answers. If you can't wait, you can even download the demo first.

I only partially agree with the timecode-is-dead thing. For timecode CDs I totally agree. But I don't think timecode vinyl will disappear that fast. At least not for the HipHop genre. But for electronical music - as I play - HID will probably be the future and I am waiting for a good solution to finally replace my two MKIIs.

 

It's just you JayBalmer... You're response is pushing into the irritating immature collusion building antics and side talking is leading others further away from the point.

The point is that everyone knows TSPro 2 will be out in less than two weeks - all these issues will be old and on the "backburner" if you are complaining about TSPro1 still. If NI hasn't fixed it in version 2, I can bet you that they'll be more inclined to fix it in version 2 versus 1 with enough complaints.

The timecode mention is just a suggestion - If you have to do control via the CDJs. Until version 2 is out or HID is fixed, FIND A FRIGGIN WORK AROUND like CDs!

And lastly, jus to confuse you more - the control decks mentioned wasn't to be responded to but since you did...hah took the bait. CDs are old and not of the best sampling rates yet they are 100% more responsive in the CDJs than any HID set-up. If one day Pioneer gets around to creating a non slot-loading deck that can load a track into a solid memory or spit out timecode to a DDJS then we would have better but until then FIND A WORK AROUND.

 

runningoutofspace, you have completely missed the point here. While your opinion on HID may or may not be correct the fact of the matter is the lack of support for a feature that is nearly 1.5years old is absurd. Most of the software out there have picked up on HID.

Basically, if you think about it. Traktor is absolete. No HID support, No Video support, and Im correct FLAC is still messed up right?

 

Ok maybe i was abit harsh runningoutofspace and i apologise for that, but your last comment FIND A WORK AROUND frustrates me and this is why......

after watching videos by pioneer and also NI about how TSP works "flawlessly" with the CDJ2000s i go out and spend THREE GRAND on 2 CDJ2000s only to find out its almost unusable. Tell me why i should "Find a way to work around" this when ive spent so much money and the hardware and software has been around for well over a year? Also when the competition has moved leaps and bounds ahead?

As far as the new TSP2 goes.....i understand that they are keeping their cards close to their chest but alls we are asking is someone/anyone from NI to pop up on here and confirm (they dont even need to go into great detail if they want to keep it under wraps) Yes TSP2 will have full advanced HID control. Thats all we need for now till the launch i think its the least they own us after over a year of frustration dont you?

 

I've got a confirmation from a thrusted person who works at NI:

Hello A,
Advanced HID is not yet implemented. It is currently under discussion if and when it will be supported.


Best regards,
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