CDJ 2000 + Advanced HID

This is actually one of the main reasons I'm leaving Native Instruments and switching to Serato. Traktor is ridiculous, and Serato is infintely more reliable for both timecodes and controller use, thanks to Advanced HID.

Get your s**t together Native instruments. There aren't many people that still buy traktor with how easily its pirated these days, and they'll lose the few that do.

 

this is yet another example of NI not giving a f*ck about their customers. endless bugs, a crappy browser, no support for the 2000s, unintuitive layout/midi mapping, the list goes on. typical pretentious 'you need us more than we need you' software development. they cant even operate a decent customer support 1-800 number for ****s sake.

maschine is great, as is kontakt and most of the production stuff, but the traktor department really needs to get their **** together! gonna go check out virtualdj or torq now, bye bye traktor!
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the most logical explanation tends to be the one thats true
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yeah not to mention the sound quality is INSANELY better running a digital spdif out from the cdjs to a 800, 900, db4, etc. to me this is the most bothersome thing about not support advanced HID, the sound quality suffers needlessly!
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one more thing and I'm out, I have a former friend (turned into a dickhead) who works for NI as a traktor specialist, not gonna name any names but he says regarding advanced HID: "Pioneer HID support is on Pioneer, not NI. They are behind on their drivers and CDJ 2000's as a soundcard has been swept under the rug anyways because nobody does that. "

if this is indeed the attitude NI has then its no wonder theres no HID support, coming up with drivers is a collaborative effort, one that serato had no problem doing, so obviously the ball is in NI's court. they must not want HID to cannibalize sales of the s4, audio interaces, etc. the funny thing is that he says 'no one does that' well yeah obviously no one is gonna do it if u dont make it possible in the first place! i deal with very demanding djs every weekend at one of the largest venues in north america and let me tell you, they would definitely use traktor with HID if it were possible! but now pioneer has a huge lead on traktor cuz its just easier to use the sd cards/usb sticks with the 2000s. but searching is a pain in the ass with the 2000s, there are definitely some that would use traktor in hid for the convenience of having their whole library available whilst keeping an all digital audio signal. but we'll never know now thanks to NI, bloody wankers.

to everyone making noise about this and other problems with traktor - keep doing it, one day they'll hopefully get their **** together cuz traktor has great potential. but in the mean time I am back to cds for 1-2 hour sets, and playing USB wherever I can

 

There was a note about it in Traktor on the records that it was coming in a future update. I hope they keep their promise or i suppose its fake marketing.

 

totally agree with the comments. the 2000's is so set up for playing from usb with the waveform display and accuarate bpm reading i am not sure you would bother hooking up traktor in a club for ease of use. unless of course you use a midi controller and all effects, tricks etc. but for the standard pro club dj who goes in and mixes up tracks traktor is becoming redundant without advanced HID.
I really believe NI are aiming at the bedroom dj rather than the pro club dj at the moment. thats were serato wins hands down for reliability, advanced HID and performance on PC's and macs. Sorry NI- I have lost faith especially with your crappy 2.1x releases.

 

Well, my Traktor works quite well doing "Pro DJ" stuff, if you call it that way... Don't know what you or other people are doing with their set ups, mine works fine without crashes and such using 2.1.2.

Besides it strongly depends on the DJ needs you have and the venue you're going to play, especially considering different equipment, like I already elaborated in a previous post...

 

I am glad 2.1x series and timecode is working for you however the point of this discussion is that we wish to use tracktor without timecode. We wish to have Advanced HID so we can do away with old technology (timecode) and keep up with the times such as serato have done, rock up to a gig with your laptop and just plug in a usb cable into the each cdj900/2000 and away you go. thats moving forward as using timecode with all the frustrations of delay not to mention swapping rcas should be a think of the past.

 

Well Serato can't do that so you're very wrong there. Serato requires you to use their sound card still, so you can't just

I'm guessing if they EVER come out with Advanced HID you'll have to do the same thing or at least have the latest version of Traktor SCRATCH Pro installed. Traktor uses won't be able to use the CDJ2000 otherwise nobody will buy the more expensive program.

So now that's out the way, I agree it would be AMAZING if you could just rock up to a gig plug the CDJ2000 straight into the laptop and play.

There's some other problems you have to think about:

Aggregate devices (works OK on a Mac but what are the PC people going to do?) I'm not even sure if Aggregate devices will be plug and play on a mac, you'll probably/most likely have to run a small program after plugging the CDJ2000 in on your MAC so it can "automatically" "applescripts" etc and create an aggregate device.

Or TSP would have to be able to accommodate separate sound cards for each soundcard i.e.:

Track A: CDJ2000 1
Track B: CDJ2000 2
Track C: CDJ2000 3
Track D/Sample Deck: Audio 10 DJ
Maschine: Audio 10 DJ

The other option would be to use the CDJ2000 as only a midi controller and allow the NI sound card to be the main out, but then we basically already have that, but i'd hope that NI will eventually come out and tell us one way or the other.

 

agreed that serato users have to use their Rane soundcard boxes but currently Traktor users dont have to use thier NI soundcards with Standard HID using asio4all for traktor to recognise the soundcards. Traktor users can currently just plug in usb leads to the cdjs and away you go, however is limited to the sluggish performance of standard HID and not showing waveforms etc on the cdj. The big problem though is Advanced HID is the standard default setting on CDJ 900/2000's. This means you have to go into the options menu and changed to Standard HID which itself isnt a problem if you are not leading on from another DJ in a club otherwise this happens.

* plug USB cables into CDJ900/2000's to laptop with traktor.
* on the cdj not being used switch to Standard HID and assign to traktor deck 1
* check soundcard settings are using the pioneer cdj decks. OR use your NI soundcard
* mix in your track using traktor on the spare cdj from previous DJ.
* go to change HID to standard on the other deck
*Traktor crashes. I have tested this on numerous setups with and without using NI sound card and the problem is when you change CDJ from advanced to standard traktor will crash

Either way, my complaint is just to have Advanced HID with pioneer range like Serato. I dont care if i have to use my NI sound card (that isnt the issue).

 

hear you man

 

as for "using less cables" a DJM-900 nexus is a great leap forward!
all you need to do is plug in one USB and you can play timecode by using the DJM's internal soundcard.

however I still do not understand why NI is so stubborn not to implement a technology all concurrents already have for a long time.

As a business student I really don't see the advantages of not implementing this. customers who really want to use advanced HID will probably (as many posts here suggest) already have moved to serato.

people who (already) have a traktor scratch pro packet with NI hardware won't get rid of the soundcard, since you never know what discobar you might encounter.

Apart from the very top dj where every letter on the rider is respected many of us finds us in situations where you see a djm-800 in stead of a 900 or 2000, or oldschool CDJ1000mk3!

I always used traktor scratch timecode without any issues and I will continue using it if needed. but I think NI is screwing customers big time by not giving us full HID support..

As master Yoda would say, "Do or do not, there is no try".
Standard HID in traktor isn't even trying, it's failing.

I hope they'll see the light pretty soon!

 

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/native-instruments-traktor-advanced-hid/signatures

 

Uhm well, I was only defending my standpoint that Advanced HID is a necessary feature missing in Traktor for me like I already stated in previous posts (e.g. HERE) while you were saying that the CDJ2000s are for playing with USB anyway and Traktor is for bedroom DJs...

Pioneer offers a tool to automagically aggregate any Pioneer CDJ to a single audio device on OS X. The problem with properly supporting aggregated audio devices again lies on the Traktor side of things:

• If you currently want to use a aggregated audio device, you already have to create it BEFORE you start Traktor, otherwise it won't recognize it.
• If you're finally running Traktor with an aggregated audio device, don't ever unplug any of the USB cables before you close Traktor, otherwise it will most likely crash, which of course is horrible if it happens by accident during a set (I can't remember it not crashing from my experience).

I wouldn't mind to additionally connect my Audio 8 or 10 to the mixer if I could only get the accuracy of Advanced HID compared to Timecode CD when I play on 2000s or 900s. In the end, using the internal audio interfaces of the CDJs would be the best solution tho.

@niccob: Cool that you have posted a link to my petition but I just want to inform you that I had to remove all my links to it because I got a PN from Keir @ NI saying that my linking violated the Forum Rules.

 

there is the possibility that NI do not wish to have advanced HID as users would only need Traktor pro not scratch.

I dont really care about using the pioneer internal soundcards though they sound way way better with the wolfson DAC verses the Cirrus DAC in Ni cards

just wish to have advanced HID so we have no latency/sluggish/full display and waveforms and use traktor without timecode

 

Had enough I think.

I think if advanced HID is not somehow implemented "very" soon, I'll be dumping the traktor software and associated bits in favour of USB keys etc.
Enough places now have the 2000's and they effectively can't be used with any confidence or accuracy with Traktor.

I'm sick of "trying" to get traktor to work with the 2000's, this should be something that simply "works".

So, NI when will this be implemented?

 

I totally agree with you on that one. Doing a gig this Sunday and they have 2000's and no space for a controller. there is no way i am using timecode on 2000's. I am taking USB sticks and ditching traktor. just confirms my initial thoughts. NI are now for bedroom DJs using trick controllers and ditching the Pro club set up. NI just want to concentrate on S2/S4 and timecode sales only and do not wish anything to get in the way of that. if they introduce advanced HID will be the death of timecode - they know that....

Come on NI please answer the question WHEN? You have an online petition. or is it just not posisble with Traktor?

 

They eat a lot of jumbo shrimp cocktail and take deep bubble baths in cold hard cash around NI's DJ division so they really don't have time to pay attention to how many times people say they're fed up and then threaten to leave, but ask NI "come on!" in passing. NI knows they've got us hooked - the program works but it ain't gonna work with everything. Midi control or Timecode that's it. Besides, if little Billy in 3rd grade dreams about the next wave of NI controllers and soundcards, so should you. By the time he's able to DJ people won't even remember what the CD stood for in CDJ2000 so they don't care....Serato needs that small advantage and they can have it because not many will jump ship just yet seeing that Serato still makes you have the friggin' soundcard hooked up.

Even though one of the top 5 things predicted in 2012 is that some entity will give us a new or updated software that really threatens to knock Traktor off it's throne, who knows...it may not happen. May'be a lot of people will really just get fed up and just stop using Traktor but the nearest alternatives are unmentionable at this current moment.

 

It's true but you sound rather ranty or drunk when you posted this

 

Nah, just giving a bit of humour. I believe that NI DJ Division already knows that they won't fulfill this and the DB4 Certification, because it's not of any real benefit to them. They could have made these things a reality oh so long ago but....nope.

IMHO, Serato's only two issues that hold me back are their GUI and the soundcard requirement. If they went away (or got better) I wouldn't look back. A lot of people would love for Serato to reinvent itself, may'be distance itself from association with Rane, make something sexy and stable but they haven't done it yet. They should be in depression for not seizing the moment and spoiling all the party at NI's DJ division. It is the way it is and no body else we know of (right now) could convince us all to switch.

 

Of course they should fulfill these requirements. It gives them "ubiquity" as a brand.

DB4 certification is nothing more than a test effort.

CDJ-2000 Advanced HID may very well be held up by Pioneer as well as NI.

The fact that the worlds most widely used and prestigious player/controller device is not peoperly supported by Traktor is mind boggling.

Maybe Pioneer is working on the next gen of the CDJ-2000 and is holding out for that model? It's been over 2 years now.

 

Yeah, but you see Serato accomplishing Advanced HID and.... the Bridge, which is also a majorly overlooked achievement in Serato. Sure, Traktor has the virtual midi outputs which help sync other programs to it but toggling "Start" and "Stop" on the midi-clock button isn't as functional (as the video below shows). Using Abelton has nothing to do with Advanced HID but it's an example of what else is really different between the two and below shows what can be done in using Serato right now, if you also perform and record with Abelton as well.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeKxEz8NHPc"]I'd like to do that...in the same GUI[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSWcZlQ-tuM"]With mapping and a soundcard mixer you can already do that, right?[/ame]

SL4 is just so much more expensive (699GBP) than Traktor Scratch Pro 2 (479GBP)