Chances of recreating an FS1r?

Well I've given up on the formant synth for the time being. I had to add HPF in the input of each oscillator to cancel out the aforementioned DC offset problem, which increased CPU load undesirably.
I'd use a formant filter but I don't understand it yet. I've got some literature on FM, Formant, AM, PM and many other types somewhere that I'll have to dig out.

I did have a bit of fun though replacing my formant oscillators with 'sync' oscillators, where their pitch is adjusted against a key-pitch-locked clock oscillator. Then I could use sawtooth and other waveforms too.

The formants from the included formant osc sound really awful when FModulated. I haven't figured out how to replace it with PM yet.

If anyone can suggest a general structure outright, then I'd be more than give it another go, but I just can't visualise it in my head currently.

 

it will be simpler than that and quite unique I think

btw I got an AKAI MINIAK on Saturday which is the Alesis Micron rebranded by Akai in a more solid larger case and with better layout and in the meantime also at a lower price

what I wanted to buy was a 3 octave desktop controller but they only had a very cheap one without any controls ( except for an octave switch on the rear side ) and an overpriced one branded by cakewalk for 220 so I went for the Miniak which was 299 Euros

it sounds fantastic
the UI concept isnt bad but still the lack of dedicated controls for editing is a pity
I consider getting an Ion now if I see one

I have to sell my Supernova for this which I regret somehow but the more hardware you have the more additional hardware you need and thats not what I want

 

I forgot about miniak. That engine really is amazing though. Its soo analog wet sounding but still has its own digital character. There is an ion on ebay right now for $450 buy it now. 450-500 seems about what you should be able to get with patience. My friend has a micron but I decided for once I was going to actually go with knobs instead of saving money with rack synths or no knobs. There is that one stupid bandpass filter though that I know I'm going to want a micron when I get the ion, but want the knobs of the ion when i get the micron.
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I don't have one, I only got to use a friends briefly in 2002..
Can you link to some mp3s? I wasn't able to do **** with it and it seems most the sound files sound like people who didn't really know what they were doing and just sending stuff through the filter like it was a VA.
I actually think its the only 90s digital synth that hasn't dipped in price since 2000 but has gone up and seems to keep going up.
I do think reaktor + FM + nice big touchscreen controller will be quite sick someday..
Figure that DX7 knob box could be done easily in A/B view..wouldn't really be gaining anything with a mouse pointer though IMO.
I would love to hear what you have done with the K5000 additive formant filter too..you seem to be mr. formant
If you tell me you have a fizmo I'm going to have to come raid your place. FS1R, k5000 and fizmo are the 3 synths on my list if i wanted to drop 2500 bucks on stuff i might never use.
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Are you just trying to make that yeeeahhohhheehyeeea sound? There should be the vowel filter ism on the disk somewhere...It was part of the 2.3 or 3.0 standard install. If thats all you want, just putting a saw through that would be much easier.

Also, if a new formant synth does come from this thread it would be interesting to try to incorporate the break point envs to get longer absynth style envs going for control data. If you check out the csound front end Cecilia, there is a formant preset that uses the FOF opcode to do some really crazy **** with longer control data than an lfo or short env.

 

Over here the FS1R was quite inexpensive for some time, I have two of them, got a used one some years ago for 320 Euro. You hardly get a JP8000 or Virus for the price...
When it comes to FS1R MP3-Demos, I was planing this for some time, even so I found the time for a couple of newer sounds, I haven't found the time for propper controller/Matrix assignments and a MP3 Demo.

When it comes to touchscreen and extensive knob-boxes, I don't miss them. I like using knobs and other tools to control the sound, but when it comes to soundprogramming, especially when it comes to parameter monsters, I'm getting along well with the mouse, as long as the GUI isn't too bad...

 

Like I said I was always against knobs just because you are always paying more, like it was being pussy or something...at the end of the day though, with a touchscreen you can at least get twice as much tweaking done vs a mouse with 2 hands in the same amount of time...Then there is a whole world of grouping parameters for 2 thumbs and 2 other fingers to get 4x tweakage amount that reaktor programmers will be in the drivers seat for...

Here is one for you mr formant...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTIXaAM0PAY"]YouTube- Beast - Spawn[/ame]

At 4:23 I'm 99% sure thats simon posford's Eventide on the formant filter...I've still never heard anything touch that...Its so smooth, the resonant peaks are so perfect. Makes sense though as the last company I would ever want to try to emulate is Eventide.

 

I don't feel quite compfortable if you call me names, when it comes to the sound in the Video, I think even Massive could do that, would at least worth a try.
When it comes to Formants, it's not necessarily about voices, the spectrum of most acoustic instruments contain formants, their bodies are build to resonate at certain frequencies, what is an important part of their timbre.
When it comes to FS1R I tend to use the formants in an FM context and not exactly for choir and voice sounds...

 

sorry...........didn't mean anything by that....mr. touchy...
i'll paypal you 20 bucks if you can touch that in massive.
I think you are full of **** now to be honest. record some interesting FS1R patches and prove me wrong.

 

Please read my posting from 19-08-2010 19:31, that workload will not change until at least 10th of september, their is no way I can spend hours on a formant shift sound just yet...

When it comes to massive, download the demo and check the oscillator formant mode, it might help you to understand how this could be done....

 

You could sync the carrier as slave to an additional oscillator to keep its pitch steady. This technique works fine with some VAs so I guess this could work with Reaktor too...

 

Okay, this is what I came up with so far:
It it called 'Formation' and I've just uploaded it to the UL after about three days work (on and off) on it.
https://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=9627


I know it probably doesn't even touch the FS1R with its lack of formant sequencing and such, but it is my interpretation of the idea, and just a prototype before I would make a more complete 'Formation 2'. I find the CPU usage worryingly high for such low polyphony (50% at four voices on my macbook), but I guess it is FM and it is hacked together inefficiently. Not sure how much of that is from Flex-FX though - hopefully not too much!

I'd be interested to hear what you guys think, considering it is only a prototype and you don't get much feedback on the UL.
Someone may find it a useful starting point too.