Chopping a song into loops

What's up everyone my name is James, and I recently purchased Mashcine and have been trying to get the hang of it, but I am having a couple issues getting use to the new work flow.

Before switching to Maschine, I used FL Studios, and I have grown accustomed to using FL's Edison by dragging a full song into the player and taking loops and bits of the track and dragging them out and placing them into the step editor. I have tried this with Maschine but found it to be a pain to do.

So my question is, is there any specific way to do this with Maschine, or should I just get something like Recycle? Also, is there any programs similar to Recycle that I should checkout?

FYI: I'm currently using Maschine in standalone and using Garageband as my DAW.

If you are interested you can check out a couple of my beats here http://soundcloud.com/dmosphree

 

you got some nice beats u should bne able to get the song and assign it to muiltiple pads then adjust the start and end points

 

Why not carry on using FL Studio to take the loops from the entire track (as you already know it and it seems better for it) and then import them to Maschine to do stuff with?

 

Thanks for checking out my beats, you have some nice joint yourself. I have tried that but it's a pain especially when you don't know what parts of the song you want.

I have recently switch to a mac set-up because my PC died on me, so I no longer have access to my PC. I can download a windows impersonator and use FL with that, but I wanted to see if I could find an alternative solution to the problems. Also, I'm pretty sure I would ignore maschine if I went back to FL.

 

Fair enough. When I've ever done something similar (usually cutting up stems that someone else has recorded), I'll do that in Reaper and then use the cuts in Maschine afterwards.

 

Thanks, I'll check Reaper out.

Any other suggestions out there are welcomed and greatly appreciated.

 

do you realize that it took years upon years for the author of the song you sampled to develop their talent to the point where they were able to write it? and then you walked along and simply consumed it like a biscuit, as if it were your own.

it took millions of years to sow organic matter and many more to turn it to coal and oil, and you just waltz up to the fuel pump and consume the product of the equivalent of a whole mountainside distilled into one mere gallon of gasoline.

when will my brothers stop raping the past for gain in the moment?

 

Thats not fair to say man. thats the whole purpose of a sampler is to sample. What about million dollar company using old tunes for their TV advertisement. The company that holds the right to the songs get paid not the artist who worked so so so hard to write it. Dont pick on the man who's creating chopped samples of another song. Some just make music in the happiest form and most comfortable ways.. I always thought that there is no right or wrong when making music as long as it sounds good.


As far as the OP , you have to practice practice and find the best way suitable for you. I never load a whole song to sample in maschine, but if you do you can make your cuts and apply the chops to the pads. I normally let maschine find my slices then work from there. Saint Joe has some nice tutorials at maschinetutorials.com, youtube and the maschine tips n Tricks thread. You just have to find a way that works for you..

 

Let me start by saying that I haven't yet sampled anything with Maschine beyond myself and sounds I've made with my guitars etc. hence me being interested in the OP's question - my mind is open.

I've not had it long and 'sample based' music is not really the kind of thing I've done before. So you're probably thinking that I'll agree with you. But I don't.

If a person is doing it for fun as opposed to financial gain, it's OK IMO..... it's learning your craft. Soundcloud IMO is pretty much open season - the posters aren't making money out of it. If it gets them well known to the extent that they do then the rules change!

If a person does uses samples and does make money out of them, they will have to pay royalties to the copyright holder. If the sample is out of copyright then it just is. There are some fantastic folk songs out there based on traditional numbers that modern audiences have no idea are 'ripped off' - a band can happily sell an album with a 200 year old song on it and pocket every penny. Who is actually hurt by that? And it means that a long-dead song is reborn for a new audience. I would bet you that a lot of the long-gone folks would actually be happy that their music still mattered to someone, and some of the audience will go on to try and discover 'where the sample came from'. Beneficial IMO.

In the end, it doesn't matter where it comes from - it won't get listened to if no-one likes it so to answer your charming question about 'raping the past' I would say that this will stop when the audience no longer wants to hear it. Which I don't see hapenning anytime soon. And the stuff on the OP's soundcloud page? I liked it. I listened to 4 of the tracks there and (because I don't listen to this style of music much) all were new to me and that will be the case with some other listeners.

 

Of course I realize all of this, and I will continue to sample. Music weather you are a guitarist, a keyboardist or whatever, is the act of taking ideas from the past and changing them around and building upon them, this is culture. This taking of ideas and building upon them whether it is science, music, or technology involves taking the past and using it to progress forward.

I make rock music from scratch all the time, using my guitar, bass, and keyboard. But when I make hip-hop, I like to sample cause I just like the sound, so sue me.
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Oh yeah and I found a solution to my problem, I'm trying out Wiretap Studio and I like so far.

Thanks for everyones help

 

forgive me but what is novel regarding cutting a song into loops? when was that idea innovated upon last?

not to mention, when will everything be sampled? what will you do then? we are sorry, there are no more songs to sample today. will you write something and then sample it? why dont you just do that now? maybe youll stumble on something 'new' sounding and wow the music world and go down in history and then be sampled! but who will listen to your sample creations in 40 years? nobody. who would you rather be? im also saying that i as a consumer of music would like you to write something incredible rather than listen to another song that samples music from the past. so use your talent to innovate, not simply follow in the footsteps of whoever. be strong! rise up to the top where you belong.

 

i think you are making assumptions here, maybe the op does make songs that don't use samples as well?

there is a whole sampling culture out there, so for me there is nothing wrong with this method - except i wouldn't personally use a whole song, that bit is not part of my workflow, and yes, maybe that does puzzle me as well.

to be honest, i couldn't care less if my tracks were being played in 10 years time let alone 40 years time - but that is a whole debate in it self.

and there are some incredible tracks that just use samples of other people's music.
again this is also a huge debate. i always question which is worse, ripping off someone's else way of doing things or taking a sample of someone else's work and making a fresh track with it?

sowari

 

the lesser of 2 evils? :lol:

 

finding the right part of a song to loop is an art in itself just like the djs in the park used to get two copies of the same record and make it play for an extended period of time sampling loops that grab an audience takes and fine ear.

then the engineering aspect is to doctor the loop make it sound fatter add a bass and the right drums so it knocks.


the other element is if u take a song and take part out of context and put it together in a way that does not exsist on the record then surely this is creative.

 

the act of creativity was never called to question. you make a wee wee when you use the toilet. this is quite a bit different. to take a carefully crafted identity and use it as your own is called BITING the last time i checked and only SUCKER DJs do it according to b-boy culture, am i interpreting correctly here?

i guess its big business tho huh? if puffy diddy did it why dont we? thats sound logic right?

 

When I cut a song into loops I don't just leave it at that, I add different effects, I chop the loops up and rearrange them, I play with the tempo and pitch, I add other instruments and in the end, the song is completely transformed into something that I love.

I dont really worry about running out of samples because, I have seen one sample flipped into 30 different unique songs. And there are millons of undiscovered records, and millons making new non-sampled music today.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to be passing judgement on a way of making music that you don't know much about. I truly believe in 40 years I will still be listening to artist like A Tribe Called Quest, J Dilla, and Gold Panda. I have listened to a lot of sample music with a lump in my throat because it truly touched me, and thats the guy I want to be, the guy who touches people with his music. Whether I am sampling, playing guitar, or humming. In the end when something touches you I don't think you'll care how it was made.

Sampling is not the only way I make music, I have been playing guitar for about 10 years. I spend most of time playing guitar and writing songs, but I still love to sample and make hip-hop on the side. I have learned a lot about music and music production from sampling and consider it a very important part of my musical journey and who I am today.

And just to clear things up, I don't use the whole song. I just like to be able to listen to the song and be able to stop it and take what ever catches my ear, and loop it up so it is easier to work with and chop.

 

I guess if I play my chord progression starting in the Key of C minor I guess Im stealing the music theory formula and killing off the person that first played C minor hundreds of years ago.

 

now that seems rather ridiculous, no?

 

The OP came in here to ask questions about 'how to cut samples' not 'what are the implications of sampling'. As valid as the argument is, Alien Brain, you failed to keep on topic and your opinions on the merits of sampling derailed this thread from what is considered a very honest question about the intrinsic nature of Maschine and how it is beneficial to ones workflow.



I'd like to add.....DJ SHADOW.

 

do you intend to scold me? now im actually kinda ashamed of myself... no, no im not.

dj shadow can bite me