Christmas Beat Battle

Seems that someone is confused about what's really ok to use and what's not.
My first understanding for this battle was: Maschine content only. For me this is not including Massive, resampling and own vocal-samples.
It would be great to use the drum synth as the only synth.
But now it seems that there is no limit to use Massive (incl. self made patches) and resampling. So what about to use a factory-preset of massive and change some parameters of it.... then this is not longer a factory preset.

 

are we allowed to use vocal samples that we make on our own???

 

No. Just factory content for source samples.

 

but you can re-sample to make it sound like your voice.

 

Well if you can, hats off to you.

At the end of the day, Jonas said we can use Massive and we can resample. So just follow those rules. No ones going to be disadvantaged if we all follow the same rules.

There's no point in trying to change it now as Sowari seems to think all the NI staff are on holiday until the new year so we won't get any kind of feedback until next week any way (and the cut off date won't be long after that).

 

+1
The Battle is running since a couple of days...

Just to clarify:
Is it allowed to create own Massive-Patches or not?

 

...boy, I almost feel bad for asking about the Massive presets and resampling. I'm really sorry, that I may have caused some confusion (though I suspect, a question like this may have come up anyway). I think some sort of limitation, as well as these Beat Battles in general, are really good opportunities to train yourself in using the instrument and library and nobody is forcing anyone to participate, if one doesn't like this. For me this makes such a competition quite interesting (not to mention fair for everyone) and Maschine's library (as well as Komplete Select) are a really good package to produce music. So even with just the library we have plenty to work with.

I just asked about the Massive presets for purely selfish reasons, because I rather work with synths, as they're more expressive than samples and I thought, if I won't find something useful among 200 Massive presets I probably should stop making music. Jonas could have just said, that the Massive presets from Maschine's library are off-limits and I think, that would have been OK, too (but I'm glad you didn't!). About the question at which point we aren't using the Massive Maschine presets anymore, I think, it's pretty obvious if someone is just automating parameters or has tweaked the EQ or filter a bit - that doesn't turn the whole thing into a new preset. I would say as a rule of thumb, we can turn every parameter that is available via the Maschine controller - i.e. we'd play with the sound (as intended). Off-limits would be changing stuff in Massive via controls that aren't available from the Maschine controller, such as changing the wavetables, choosing a different Mod Osc type, changing the Filter type, FX types, LFO waveforms etc. - because that wouldn't be playing or being creative with the preset anymore, it would be changing a module's setting.

And I asked about the resampling because of practical reasons, as by now my computer isn't the fastest anymore, or if I wanted to do something, respectively, that can only be done via resampling (and the way Maschine works, I think, it also encourages being creative in that area). I don't know how Jonas and Keir will decide how it's going to be, but in my opinion the best way to deal with this (and make their work a bit easier, did not think about that when I asked) would be that the winner (given he or she used resampling) would sent the project file (only containing the resampled sounds) and provide a second project that contains all the groups that have been used to resample. Then (proper naming assumed) they could see very quickly which sound had been created from which group containing original Maschine samples. And they could also see via missing sample messages, if external samples may had been used illicitly. I don't think, all of this is that difficult and I hope, my suggestions could help serving as solutions for these issues. Again, apologies, if I have caused confusion or irritation.

And with that Happy New Year, everyone!

 

I don't get why people are excited about the limitations while they try to push the idea of "everything is ok". Prisoners with a file..

Anyway, happy new year. NI please don't allow resampling/ own patches. Please.

 

Hi everyone,

I just want to clarify that the idea behind this special iteration of the Beat Battle was and still is to level the playingfield by just using factory content.

Using Massive and resampling is allowed!

If you chose to resample, please make sure that you do not rename your samples in the sample editor so that I can see where the original sample came from. Also the winner has to send the project file including all samples.

Happy new year from China! (I'll be back on the 11th)

 

Thanks @Jonas @ NI Now we know exactly as much as before. We still don't know about layering, making own presets, ...

Anyway, I'm out, this competition's become useless. Maybe they will do a "real" factory content competition later but now I just don't see the point.

 

Not sure what you mean. You can use Massive in any way you'd like.

 

Well just finished my track. Ironically I didn't use resampling or programming my own synth patches.

 

Are you talking about the 8 macros or all 16 pages lol?

If using resampling to get new sounds isn't a 'real' factory library competition, then we cant use any effects either because you are altering the sample. How boring would that be?

 

Also finished , I just tweak one only patch from massive. The rest is straight factory sound

 

but! and this must be a basic when offering such a option/contest .. it had to be as objective/neutral as possible.. just entered the forum 4 the first time.. dont even know how much a good mixing counts? if someone has no optimal mixing enviroment maybe he is the creative god of all but fucked the mixing up^^ .. we will see..and most of all hear.. gretz

 

..-- amd after 15 yrs checking all daw and vst on the planet.. u realize.. damn.. all i need is a nice controller embedded in a workflow freandly software and the a simple eq, comp, reverb, one synthi and a the basic musical knowledge of using them and maybe a lil st about chords, skales and u realize.. damn ! thats how i had to started with ^^ gg // my personal story .. grtz

 

...please don't. I'd like to hear what you'd do - it's still two weeks until the deadline and you can use just the factory library if you want to. And it's not a disadvantage for you if you choose to use less than others. Probably noone will hear, if you might have used Massive presets and resampling or not. It all comes down how many people like one track. However, part of the challenge is to maintain some comparability and as we can do whatever genre we like this time, I can see the logic behind putting some restrictions on the tools...

 

...well, you can read again and you will get your answer. The contest is all about "what Maschine provides". But since a lot of splitting hairs seems to be more popular here than writing music (and I don't exclude myself from the hair-splitting), I'd say tweaking a Massive preset through the provided Maschine controls is fine, but not creating a new Massive preset - since there isn't an INIT preset for Massive in the library and you can't create a Massive preset from scratch just with the Maschine controls - as a lot of important Massive controls aren't available on Maschine. Layering sounds and resampling them (in order to chop them or play legato or whatever) seem also fine, since these are operation which Maschine has been specifically designed for...

 

I haven't even started mine yet.

 

Probably a good thing. I have a feeling I'm going to spend the next two weeks tweaking the mix until I either ruin it or end up hating it (I've already been listening to it today on my iPhone and thinking "ooh the snares too loud and punchy" ).