Coming up: Free Maschine update with VST/AU plugin hosting

And I thought Maschine was a cheap plastic MIDI controller....I want to champion the idea that a hardware manufacturer take a stab a making a controller for Maschine which includes sliders, a jog/shuttle wheel, and adjustable LCDs.

 

Technically sure, but their controllers have no true integration so their quite brainless, and rely on other dev's and software to make it all work,which they don't.. whereas Maschine on the other hand does integrate well.. at least for me and plenty others..

I could see a newer controller from NI, perhaps at version 2.0...this could be awhile away... Currently the Maschine controller works well for me,even without a gob of controllers.. It deals with them in a nice way,once you understand what it's doing.
my 2cts.

 

imagine the MUSE RECEPTOR with 16 drum pads.... it's highly possible, but highly unlikely that it'll happen, for the simple fact AKAI doesnt doesnt give a crap about their customers.
but, it can be done..... me personally, i dont care one way or another. hell, i dont even know why i'm typing this..... lol

 

Yeah, its called a Neko QX6

 

nope! the DBeat..... lol.
I justed wanted to get in the convo....
I can't wait until the maschine does it's thing
with the MIDI ports..... the the VST hosting is definately
a game changer. I'm going to get one after the update is complete.

 

I honestly don't know your level of technical knowledge. I'm just saying your post came across real naive. It was like what if we had this here horse...and we gave him WINGS! I just thought it had to be explained to you slowly since you kept postign the same thing without any real basis in reality. My fault for inferring something that most likely isn't true. I don't know. I honestly still think you don't "get it". Anyway, do you playa.
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Hmm. That's funny, Maschine probably has more metal on it than an MP (at least the MPC5000 not sure about the other ones).

 

@mezzurias

I own Maschine and the MPC 5000. I also owned ever MPC ever created with the exception of the MPC 60 and 500. Maschine's hardware specs don't come anywhere close to any of the MPCs I have used.

As far being a game changer...enter Feeltune Rhizome: http://www.feeltune.com/en/products...pler-console-de-mixage-processeur-de-vst.html

Which is also a groovebox that hosts VSTs.

 

Here we go. :|

 

Yes it is. and it cost $4,522. Great comparison.

http://www.dv247.com/keyboards-and-midi/feeltune-rhizome-xe-production-station--78826

 

lol

 

I'm not sure why you are bringing that up as I never said anything about specs. You said that maschine was plastic compared to an mpc which is not true as maschine has a brushed metal plate on top. As for the specs as far as I'm concerned The Maschine is a controller, ofcourse an MPC has better specs. But does an MPC have better specs than my MBP, which is where the maschine software actually runs, uh, HELL NO!

Look guy you are always on these forums spouting crap about rh MPC this and the MPC that even when no one is really asking or gives a **** frankly. You like the MPC great. I'm all for constructive criticism but you always take to MPFanboy levels for no reason. Like I said last time, if I wanted an MPC I would have bought one. At this point it would be going backwards because I have too much computer related gear and software. I'd rather do everything in the box.

The rhizome looks kind of Interesting but I've hedged my bets with NI and I'm happy with what I have. Not really looking elsewhere.

 

No need to get emotional. Maschine lacks quite a few essential functions talked about in numerous feature request threads. Many of these feature requests are already possible in an MPC (such as complete access to 100% of the software via its hardware without using a keyboard/mouse). In fact, in the Top 3 feature request thread...I found 13 feature requests that users want that are possible using an MPC. Because of feedback such as this...Maschine has received much needed updates. If you don't like MPC talk, then you should probably avoid Maschine which is essentially an MPC-hybrid....like it or not.

Maschine's hardware is another aspect that needs improvement. I had my for just two weeks and it started to come apart. Maschine is mostly plastic. The top part is metal which is attached to the unit with adhesive that is losing its bonding strength. There is a thread about this flaw. That is what I would like to see a controller as robust as an MPC.


MBP? No way compares to what an MPC does...exceptional sampling, sample/program editing, and MIDI sequencing. In fact, nothing on the market today does. But hopefully, further updates to Maschine will bridge the gap.

I mention this new VST groove box to show that other companies are also listening. Don't care about the price. Just interested in seeing the next generation of sampling drum machine sequencers...which is the reason why I purchased Maschine in the first place. I want an MPC without the fixed limitations of its hardware such as CPU, RAM, storage capacity, AD/DA converters, etc...but will all the advantages an MPC offers.

 

I know this comment is directed at JAHROME but i just feel it's a funny thing to say. Whoever asked *you* to explain to me what an MPC is and all that other hoopla you typed earlier?

That's correct. You don't.

Explained to me slowly? How did you do that? Did you type slower than usual?

 

Just to add my 2 cents into the mix.
I've owned both the MPC 2000/4000 and to be honest the MPC is a much better instrument in my opinion, but where the MPC becomes deficient is:
Load times
512 ram limit
The long time it takes to dump your tracks into your Daw
Lack of integration in terms of saving files (you have to save one for the MPC and one for your synths).

I got rid of my 4000 because of the lack of integration. Eventhough Maschine was modeled after the MPC I think we should look at Maschine as a separate instrument and stop comparing it to other groove boxes.

 

No one asked me to do anything but no one asked you to go into a feature announcement thread and post some pie in the sky feature request for another product either. Maybe we're both wrong.

I don't know your level of technical skill, I said as much and I'm glad that you acknowledged that. Still doesn't mean that I don't think your original request showed a lack thereof.

As for explaining it to you slowly, yes I did in-fact type it slowly. Since your are being a bit dense what I meant to say is that I thought it needed to be explained to you in detail. I wasn't mean about it, and I wasn't trying to be an ass If you think different, well what can I say.

Look I don't have anything against the MPC, I've used a 1000 for quite some time (about 2 years). My issue with JAHROME and others is that I don't appreciate coming into an NI site on the Maschine forum, in a Feature announcement thread and seeing fifty posts on how much better the MPC is. Great! its better, you win a cookie, but i didn't come here for that. I'd go to Gearslutz or Akai's forum for that. I'm here to get incite and information on a product I own and use. I want to see information about what VST/AU hosting means.

Like, does this mean that the workflow (using Maschine almost exclusively from the controller) will be broken? VSTs are complex things (especially ones like Reaktor, etc) they require the mouse and keyboard a lot . How will patch loading work? Will I be able to scroll for patches like I do for sounds, samples and projects? Does this mean that Maschine will get better support for midi in-order to automate a lot of the parameters in most VSTs? What does this mean for CPU usage? There were a couple of interesting things in that picture like the grv button. What does that do? Will other Kore features make it to Maschine, such as browsing patches via the Kore browser, or keyboard layering/splitting? How will 64-bit/32-bit plugins be handled (please let there be no bridge, the Logic bridge SUCKS!)? Is there now multicore support (which was removed like in version 1.2 or something)?

 

Very curious, why do you own maschine? Sounds like you are quite happy with your MPC.

 

Umm, you are serious? Logic (or any decent DAW) can can do everything an MPC can and then some. Call me when an MPC can load something like the VSL. The MPC is a great sequencer but calling it the best depends heavily on what kind of music you do.

 

Warning! fanboy alert ! fanboy alert!

 

I believe most will agree VST hosting is great. That is why there are 12 pages of people thanking NI for this new update. But this also encourages more feature request threads in hopes that NI can give us a tool that we believe we need.

An MPC is a musical instrument. It integrates with a DAW as well as a guitar, keyboard, or your own vocals. In other words, it doesn’t take any more time to dump your MPC tracks into a DAW than any other instrument. That is why MPCs created in the late 80s/early 90s are still used more frequently than any drum machine on the market including Maschine. An MPC is hands down the best hardware sampling drum machine/sequencer. Check any manufacturer’s site who produces similar products and you will see they mention the Akai MPC. While I am happy using an MPC, just like any hardware workstation, there are limitations and I am always looking for new technology that will accomplish my needs faster. Maschine has potential but not quite there yet. That is why there are numerous threads about feature requests. NI appears to be listening which is great. Any company wishing to capitalize off of this type of product should do the same.

I am done here. See you in the feature request threads.

 

i think all discussion is exaggerated and dispensable. everybody uses what he wants to use. i think it is/was very clear what to expect from maschine. and that its just the beginning. you guys behave like VST support will be the only thing to change with upcoming updates. i'll make a huge bet that in the nearer future nearly all of the mentioned feature requests will be implemented. (you know whtat i mean with "all" hopefully). no need to worry, for me, Maschine is exactly what i wished for years. i need computer and hardware, and there is less limitations for me right know, and there will be way less in the future. so why we dont be patient and watch that thing grow and rock that **** in meanwhile!