Control KOMPAKT with MIDI controler?

Discussion in 'KOMPAKT' started by abthun, Mar 16, 2005.

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  1. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Hi!

    Is there a possibility to assign
    a slider/knob of my MIDI controler
    keyboard to a KOMPAKT knob/slider
    function?


    TIA,
    Andi
     
  2. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Yes !

    Load Kompakt plugin in a host like Chainer or Console.

    Both exist in standalone and plugin versions.

    With Chainer, use the generic editor, not the build-in editor to define your midi controlers mapping.

    If you load several instruments, use a different controler for the same nstrument parameter.

    I believe that a few parameters cannot be controlled, pitch bend range for example, but instruments parameters can all be controlled.
     
  3. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Hi!

    Thanks for the reply!

    Ok, I see. So there is no way
    for the standalone KOMPAKT player.

    Using it with Cubase as a VST plugin
    latency is too large.

    I don´t have Chainer or Console...


    Thx,
    Andi
     
  4. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Chainer vst plugin and Chaine standalone are free

    Load Kompakt vst plugin in Chainer standalone if you don't need a sequencer.

    For your latency problem with Cubase :
    do you mean input latency ?
    in this case, don't use emulated inputs.

    if you mean output latency, try asio4all if you soundcard doesn't comme with an asio driver (Cubase generic asio drivers are not very good , to say the least).
     
  5. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Chainer is 60 EUR here.

    I meant input latency.
    Cannot get below 45 ms
    with Terratec ASIO driver.
     
  6. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Chainer comes in two flavors (free and not free).

    For live performance, the input latency problem doesn't come from you asio driver, but almost certainly because of using an emulated midi input;
    t's a well known problem in Cubase , the solution is to move ignoreportfilter file to the root of your Cubase installation, then choose the non-emulated version of your input (you can hide the emulated versions if you want).
    This has been fixed starting with Cubase SX 3.


    45 ms seems very high for a specific asio driver , have you tune it ?
     
  7. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Don´t think so. Configured my USB-Midi Keyboard as MIDI input.

    Playing with KOMPAKT standalone
    is fine when using the Direct sound
    interface. Can set output latency
    to 7ms which is fine to me.

    But when I want to use the ASIO
    driver (I normally would do that
    because of small latency!) I get
    large times. Resizing sample amount
    does not help, either.

    All I basically want is set volume
    and some filter settings with my
    keyboard controls.
     
  8. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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  9. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Ok,

    in this case, you can't use Chainer or Console, since they are only asio.

    But you can try asio4all, just to see if latency is as high (it uses your card wdm driver )

    www.xlutop.com

    I don't know about similar hosts working with Direct Sound.
     
  10. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    In KOMPAKT standalone I only see
    ASIO Multimedia Driver (400ms) and
    ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver (46ms)

    Direct Sound seems to be the best choice
    (7ms) but that means no VST hosting...

    *ouch!*
     
  11. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Very strange;

    if you are able to choose the Terratec asio driver in Cubase (are you ?) , you should be able to choose it in Kompakt standalone too;

    Maybe Kompakt standalone has a problem with your asio driver;

    If this case, the solution is to use asio4ll (NI gives this workaround for GuitarRig with N-Force audio card).

    see also if Chainer standalone can work with your asio driver, maybe Kompakt plugin will work once loaded into it.
     
  12. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Sorry I did not made this clear.

    I see the same ASIO drivers in Cubase
    ASIO Multimedia Driver (400ms) and
    ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver (46ms)

    but they are too slow...

    New soundcard? :)
     
  13. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Ah !

    I understand now why you get so much latency

    Did your card come with an asio driver ?

    If not, use asio4All (see recent posts on Guitar Rig forum), you will not have to change your card.
     
  14. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Yes, it did.
    (Downloaded at terratec.de)

    I will try the asio4all ...
     
  15. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Ok,

    but since both Cubase and Kompakt can't see your asio driver, check if it is properly installed before ;
    even if it doesn't work, you should see it listed, at least in Cubase.

    asio4all is only a workaround, it can't be as good as your specific asio driver.


    btw, I own a Terratec too ( Aureon 7.1 Firewire) : installation was an hassle.
     
  16. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    Thx, you were of great help.

    Just one thing: I can´t find
    the asio4All posting ...
     
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    clevermind Forum Member

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    abthun NI Product Owner

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  19. clevermind

    clevermind Forum Member

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    Try to decrease buffers size (until you get clicks).
     
  20. abthun

    abthun NI Product Owner

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    I am down to 16 ms
    with 96 buffer size.

    Seems ok.
     
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