Control over Power/Pre Amp

Im using GR5 through a Marshall EL-34 50-50 Power Amp, into 4x12 cabinets.

Im disabling the cab sims in GR5, however I know that the amp head models all include a power amp section, which is redundant.

It would be ideal if each head could have a button to enable or disable the pre and power sections.

That way not only would GR be more flexible for use with real power amps/cabs, but internally would be more flexible for mixing/matching different pre/power sections from different amp models.

 

+1 FROM ME!

I have Marshall 9200 and I would love a feature like this!
Using guitar rig 5 amps like "preamp only" wolud be a very very great solution to create customs hybrid live setups....
And I'm sure there are a lot of guitarist like us that own a "real amp" and would benefit of this useful option for their live usage....

Please N.I. think about this advice! ;-)
bye

Andrea

 

any news on this? is it ever going to be considered?

 

I don't think that Guitar Rig amps were modeled that way. Guitar Rig amp sims were developed as amp replacements rather than enhancement.

You'll get more flexibility out of GR if you run it through the effects loop, it depends on if you want to use the Marshall or the amp sims for your amp tone. If using the Marshall for distortion tone, you obviously cant put effects before the distortion that way. But, if you use the cleanest clean your amp can achieve, you can use Guitar Rig for the entire signal chain, still having the amp cab and EQ from the Marshall. Also you can switch between, sometimes using the Marshall, sometimes using an amp sim or a combination of a little from both.

 

i dont think you understand/read my earlier post.

im using a marshall power amp to drive the gr5 amp sims into real cabs.

the point being, if im using a real power amp, with its own built in presence circuits, there is no point having a power amp section in the amp sim.

this has nothing to do with amp 'enhancement' - several people are using marshall power amps to run gr thru real cabs, including the guitarist from the deftones (not sure if he still does that), and more to the point, all real guitar amp heads contain a preamp and a power amp section, with the flexibility of software it would be nice to be able to mix and match even if youre not using a real power amp/cab setup.

for example, use the vox preamp circuits but the hiwatt poweramp, or whatever floats your boat.

Amplitube and several other amp sims out there offer this feature, would be excellent for NI to add this too, considering using real power amps/cabs is not such a weird idea, even being hinted at/recommend in certain NI marketing material.

 

Yes, I read your post and understood your point, regardless, that is amp enhancement. Yes, I also know that other sims offer that option and it would be a nice feature for some but, if the amps weren't modeled in that way to begin with, how can they just add it in, probably not going to happen. (Peavy's software allows you to build a custom amp tube sim by tube sim).

If you read my full post you would see that I was trying to give you a suggestion on how to get the most out of GR while still allowing you to use your power amp to ... ah communication problem. by "drive the cab" do you mean provide the distortion? I was thinking to (mostly) transparently power the cab, the job that a power amp is traditionally meant to do.

I'm no kid, I've been playing over 25 years and I know how an amp works, but I don't know every amp on the market. Still, if you've been hanging around here long enough, you'd know not to get your hopes up. this feature suggestions section rarely influences GR development and your asking for a major change. We cant even get a real EQ (8-10 band) out of them!

I will wish you luck on getting it though.

 

i mean power the cabinet, not distort/overdrive. there is no effects loop, its not an amp head, its just a power amp, and there is no eq, just a presence knob and a gain knob. this is what made me think you didnt understand what i was saying. im still not sure you do. im not enhancing anything, im merely using guitar rig to simulate different amps then running it into a fairly good, fairly transparent power amp and into cabinets. the point is that i just want to turn OFF the power part of the gr simulation, since the real power amp will inevitably add some colour of its own, and its not good for sound clarity to double up on either the pre or power stages. its not that amazing a request. gr has the option to delete/turn off cabs, it would be good to have options to use only pre or power amp, as well as the normal setup which is both.

im not sure why im discussing this with you, if you dont see the value in what im asking, fine, no point wasting both our time here. if gr dont usually implement requests, shame, but you filling this thread with fluff is probably not going to help my chances any.

 

this is the info I found before posting
http://guitar-amps.findthebest.com/l/197/Marshall-EL34-50-50

Fluff, blow me, I was trying to help.

 

dude, i had a specific request, its still valid, and this back and forth has been nothing but you telling me NI wont implement it, GR isnt designed that way, mentioning things like effects loops (which doesnt apply to the power amp im using, it only has a link out, not an effects loop return), and how long youve been playing guitar.

my request stands, and your posts are neither helpful nor relevant, hence fluff.

 

I can't believe I'm replying to this, but if that link is for the amp you have, you have an effects loop. Read your manual.

Bwaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaha
"and how long youve been playing guitar"

 

that site is inaccurate. i have read my manual, and i actually own the ****ing unit.

http://www.marshallamps.com/downloads/files/Rack hbk.pdf

check out page 6:

the link jacks are OUTPUTS for chaining the signal into other power amps, not effects loop send/returns.

the fluff-fest continues. thanks for continuing to waste time with irrelevant nonsense.

 

reread the forum rules, please.

 

Actually, I like the idea of mixing/matching pre- and power amps. Vox pre with Mesa power amp for example?

 

it would allow for an enhanced range of custom tones and flexibility, and take advantage of the inherent advantages of software. mixing and matching pre/power sections from different heads would be expensive in real life, but if we could do it with guitar rig it would only serve to exponentially expand the sonic palette.