Controller Support - Pioneer DDJ-1000

The Virtual DJ devs have actually managed to get the screens and the FX working. Sure the FX are software FX, but they also are when you are connected to rekordbox too. It works great.

Also you are right, you can't route audio per track, but that is also a limitation in rekordbox. It is a hardware limitation. The unit has a lot of ins but only master and headphones outs. When connected to any software it only acts as a controller and mixing is internal in the software.

 

Yes and No. There are onboard mixer beat FX so if I have a CDJ plugged into channel 4 I can use those mixer FX just like on a stand alone Pioneer mixer separate from Rekordbox. The pad FX are Rekordbox software FX. There is a link between the DDJ-1000 and Rekordbox because in the settings in Rekordbox there is a tab that says DDJ1000 with settings for the jog displays, the lights on the outside of the jogs and some other settings that are only for the controller so there has to be something to let the signal flow through the individual channel audio processor to get those beat FX.

 

True the onboard mixer has built-in FX, but they are turned off for all channels when there is a usb connection to the software. The FX still work because the inputs (CDJ in this case) are routed into the software FX (which are the same algorithms as the hardware FX) and sent to the master mix and out the master usb outs.

The settings for jog displays etc. are not audio signals. I do not know what kind of protocol they use (MIDI sysex or something else), but the Virtual DJ devs figured it out and they included those settings options in their mapping.

 

All of my last comment assumes running Rekordbox. With Virtual DJ the FX are Virtual DJ's, so the algorithms aren't the same but they work, and the FX display even shows the correct names etc.

NI could do the same thing with their FX.

 

Well no, you don't need Rekordbox running to use the onboard mixer beat FX with an external input plugged into a channel. The DDJ1000 can act as a stand alone mixer. Those FX come from the mixer, not from Rekordbox. I didn't mean an audio signal for the jog displays, I meant there has to be an audio signal running through each individual channel for the onboard beat FX when running Rekordbox because those beat FX come from the mixer.

 

OK so I just checked Rekordbox and when Rekordbox is running, FX1 in Rekordbox is assigned to the onboard mixer FX controls. When there is an external device plugged into a channel and you set the channel to phono/Line, there is also hardware FX coming from the mixer. I never realized it before because I don't have the FX displayed on the screen but I know I plugged my Numark NDX800 through a channel and was able to use the onboard FX.

 

You can use the FX on your Numark, but they are processed by the software. There are hardware FX, but they only work if you do not have software connected.

It seems the same because the hardware FX are the same FX as the Rekordbox FX.

When you have the software running, the controller routes the phono/line input into the computer. Rekordbox DJ processes the audio with FX and routes it to the master USB out mix, and it sounds the same way it would if you had not connected the USB cable/software and used the hardware FX.

 

It actually doesn't do it that way. When you select the channel that the Numark is plugged into the message on FX1 in Rekordbox actually reads "hardware FX" No audio is processed through rekordbox when phono/line is selected on the channel. I have had the USB disconnected and audio with FX still comes out of a phono/line channel. I have closed and rebooted rekordbox with audio playing out of the line input and there are no dropouts. If audio from a line input was routed in anyway through the software you would get a dropout when it disconnected and when it reconnected.

 

Hmm good find I didn't know that.

That's cool too. I knew that the mixer has hardware FX that work without software, but I didn't know there would be no loss in continuity when replugging in USB.

I'm getting all of the information I'm spouting from the Virtual DJ forum, where I asked the devs some of these same questions. Perhaps my understanding about the hardware is incorrect, but I'm certain that I am explaining how the Virtual DJ mapping works correctly. You can assume that Traktor could do it the way that Virtual DJ did it even if it is different from how Rekordbox works.

Here is the forum link I am referring to.

https://www.virtualdj.com/forums/22...eer_DDJ-1000_-_Unofficial_Support.html?page=1

 

See the attached signal flow diagram from the DDJ-1000 manual. It only shows a master output from USB mixed down in the software. There are USB send returns at all stages for external sources, implying that the FX applied to external line/phono inputs are processed in software on the USB fx send/return channels.

 

the fx are standalone on the mixer section of the ddj1000, dont over think it mate

 

An TSI for DDJ-1000 is now uploaded here: https://maps.djtechtools.com/mappings/8653
It should be a first cut, it will not replace of course native HID support from traktor

 

its absolutley pointless using trakotr on this unit, if you have this unit use rekordbox as it came with it and works how it should. these mappings will always be second rate. put your energy into rekordbox and wait for the unicorn that is the new traktor.

 

The idea of this request is having native support.
Any TSI is just a temporary measure, which shows there is interest.

 

youll never get native support, ever.

 

review of the mapping (https://maps.djtechtools.com/mappings/8653#) from another user:

"Neil Hornigold:
1. Colour fx... Noise fx work same, filter doesn't have the same quality to it. Dub echo and pitch do nothing.
2. Platters.. Can not scratch or spin back but nudging mix in and out works perfect.
3. Loops.. Have to push the in and out like on cdj as will not do an automatic loop like ddj which isnt a problem. Can change loop size on pads however.
4.Mixer fx.. Any work on master not individual.
5.Traktor fx trigger well off pads and can scroll through different fx with pads. Also time fx nob will control last selected fx parameter. Can so run fx together.
5.LCD does nothing.
6.Beat jump works in sets of 2 for forward n back.
7. No slip buttons working.

If anybody wants to try this you must put your ddj in midi mode by holding shift and play whilst turning on.
Once booted in utility mode push the slip reverse button which will turn red.
Then turn it off and open traktor and turn ddj on. Then go and select audio.

Andrew M Smith:
Traktor works great jogs need to be set to 3 percent.and no screens.otherwise good
"

 

Using RB is a no brainer. I made the switch from traktor and love RB software. But it should be open if ppl want to use it with other software. So if ppl want to make it work with traktor or Serato, more power to them.

 

it doesnt work though does it, therell be a whole lot more that doesnt work that just hasnt been mentioned.

 

Probably. But there is stuff working, which you completely dismiss.

 

if it doesnt work properly then it doesnt work, might as well use an s4 or an x1. £1000 quid to partially control traktor come now lets be real.