CPU usage differences in 2.2?

hyper threading is basically cpu multitasking... your brain only has two hands to perform manual tasks with... so the cpu can do/process more than one task at a time. the cores are limited, so if all the threads are busy, a process will have to wait.. so if m2.2 is using doing more "tasks" now, then it would effect other processes... so if a multi-process reaktor ensemble like molecular, polyplex, or rounds was running, the cpu could glitch even though the cpu still has ample headroom. if m2 is not managing it's resources well, this will be more significant over a DAW that does and you would not even notice the micro-seconds of lags and the buffer would cover any lags in the procession from disc, ram, and cpu activities. quantum processing solves this completely.

every gen. of i7 gets better and more "xeon" like. the hex core i7, more often found in desktops does it the best and pretty close to being a xeon in it's capacity to do continuous processing like a server - this capacity is very important to audio production as there is a lot of continuous processing occurring. this is also why the computer that seemed super fast in a brief demo online or store and can launch web pages in a flash or runs great for about 10 minutes seems to kind of lag when the pressure is put on. i found this problem on the mbp's, the solution was to make sure the heat can dissipate and taking breaks every 15 minutes to stretch and/or drink something. on the mac pro or high end pc work stations you can just work work work and it never pauses and it is easy to forget to take those needed breaks.

 

@ntula Can you confirm 10.9 is better than 10.8?
With your experience i mean.
I read only bad things with 10.9 (in ableton forums)
You've said, it is close with 10.6, if im not mistaken.

I mostly use:
Protools 10
Maschine & Ableton.

Damn, upgrading OS is big decision.

 

Run a back-up with time machine, if you don't like new os or something goes wrong you can always roll back.

 

it depends on what you are running... 10.9 finishes some of the features of 10.8, like notifications, and adds the ability to have the menu bar on any monitor in a multiple monitor setup. since live now permits 2 monitors and if you are on a laptop you can add a large monitor and set that up like it was the main one, instead of having to use the laptop one as you main. 10.9 sucked at first, first 4 months nothing worked stable in it and i was tempted to put 10.8 on the mbp instead.. 10.8 is the completion of 10.7, which is a terrible OS if you use usb or sleep the computer, and only semi-fixed those issues. 10.8 may manage memory better for you depending on what you are doing and what plugs you are running. my favorite mac os's for audio are 9, 10.4, 10.6, and 10.9.

10.9 has issues with wifi and sleep and some crashes can cause the computer to automatically restart, which would be suck in the middle of a live set. i generally prefer to keep the OS within 2 years of the computer model. i am using 10.9 on a 2014 mbp, so my results may differ slightly than someone using 10.9 on a 2010 mbp, as the hardware is significantly different. live 9 works great for me, it has never crashed at all, not a single time, in 10.9 and always have functioned perfectly. i waited 6 months before using it in 10.9 as i was still using another mbp with 10.6, which live also ran super stable on.

 

I have 10.10 and like it but one thing I wish is that apple would allow multiple docs. I would love a doc on both sides and the bottom.

 

i am patiently waiting to update to 10.10.... it is a difficult wait as i would like to be able to share files easier with an iPad and iPhone, sans the sync, but since it is now my main live setup, i cannot risk it.

 

Understandable, as music is a hobby and not a living and I do not play out I can risk it and I think it has promise. But I am no where near power user level like you guys! I would think a couple more updates and things will be sorted out, time will tell. GoodLuck!

 

10.10.1 has been out.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1779
10.10.2 rumored:
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/12/12/apple-yosemite-beta-build-14c81f/

 

Ok thanks.
I think i'll stuck with 10.8 for a while more.
One bad thing: im experiencing more crushes with the 2.2 than 2.1.
Allthough i havent noticed CPU spikes , i definitely have crushes a lot more (in standalone mode.)

Crushes mostly happen: when a VST gui is open, and when i change it (from the browser or software) to another VST.
I close the GUIs before i change, and no crashes.

Couple crushes when plug/unplug too, but not that much (2-3 times till now.)
But i must say, crash is more often than before .
I have remembered where the "save" is, which i forgotten.

 

i rarely get crashes anymore with 2.12 and 10.9.... been over a month or two...and the last one was caused by a vst plug that was corrected in the plug update. with 2.2 i had one major crash when i unplugged the usb to the mk1 while 2.2 was open. 2.2 is fine with new projects and limited reaktor use, but existing projects that have multiple reaktor ensembles are not cpu stable.

 

yeah! reaktor is killing my cpu now, i was just had one instance of it loaded with polyplex and nothing else in my project and it was spiking hard, it doesn't happen with all of reaktor ensembles but for it to be just one loaded is crazy... i hope they do find a fix quick.

 

2.2 is basically useless now..i can load up 1.8 use it too the max and still hardly get cpu problems but 2.2 glitches like mad the only way I can use it is too set my asio too maximum which is around 3 seconds delay time and I can get about 8 groups going before it glitches and crackles but 3 seconds is useless too use any controller with it..inputting beats or keyboard parts is impossible the latency is way way too high.
im not even using everysound on every pad and ive got no fx on any channels too..

this is shockingly bad and it seems its got worse since I bought the new expansions and installed those ...lazer dice absolutely kicks maschines ass I cant run more than 1 group from that expansion..with 1 kit loaded my cpu jumps too 2/3rds full if I unload lazer dice it drops back down to zero.

anyone got any help or advise on how too fix the cpu spike problems..

heres my set up--

windows 7
Pentium dual core e5800 3.2 ghz
4gb ram
tc electronics konnekt 6 soundcard

--yep I know its pretty old but it works fine with 1.8...Cubase 7.5..ableton live 9..i don't have many issues with those at all

 

Upgrade your computer. Maschine 2 does not support Pentium processors.

 

your joking?i know my computers a bit old but it runs 1.8 just fine problems have only kicked off with the last few updates..

 

if it doesn't support Pentium processors what do native recommend?i was going too get a i7 next year but that's Pentium..

 

No not kidding at all. I though you where joking. The engine in 2.0 was not designed to run on the Pentium architecture or the AMD equivalents and is not tested whatsoever on those platforms. It is below the bare minimum spec that is listed for Maschine 2. Any optimizations or changes are designed for newer CPU's.

 

no I wasn't joking mate..so your telling me the two biggest manufacturers arnt supported in maschine 2.2?

 

No, i7 is not Pentium. Intel abandoned the Pentium when they moved to the Core 2 processor many years ago. Now we are on yet a different architecture than the Core 2 which is the i series. Core2 is the bare min spec and even that is a bit too optimistic for what you need to run M2. It really was not that optimized for that platform either although it will work on it. Or should I say it is more heavily optimized for more recent processors.

 

Windows 7 or Windows 8 (latest Service Pack, 32/64-bit), Intel Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)

 

so what do recommend ?my budgets very tight ive spent over a grand the past 2 weeks buying gear for my studio too prepare for gigs next summer.