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CPU usage differences in 2.2?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Mr36, Nov 25, 2014.

  1. ntula

    ntula NI Product Owner

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    i only use 2.12 mainly, i have 2.2 installed but do not really use it as i don't need the features on existing projects - i don't want to save the files in 2.2 format - that is my main complaint about it, the lack of reasonable backwards compatibility.. my second complaint is that 15% extra cpu demand was enough to push many of my existing projects over the limit, only with new projects can i use 2.2... i don't use yosemite either nor do i have any plans to update to it for a while until i buy a new mbp or mp. as far as that, i do notice on a mac, even though you may not be at peaking the cpu, the background processes can cause the cpu to peak even at a 50% load, that is my main complaint against forced features in os 10.8/9/10 with no gui off switches, though, even spotlight in early version OS has the same problem, no off switch.

    perhaps, like the schedule for yosemite, since NI had announce to release it in novemeber, it was as well a "public beta ready or not" version on a promised and publicized schedule... so since it uses the same driver, you can still play with it and test 2.2 without deleting or uninstalling 2.12 on a mac and send in the complaints to NI so they can fix them.. though i am pretty sure this thread it being parsed.
     
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  2. subsonicwave

    subsonicwave NI Product Owner

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    Something i've just noticed on mine is Maschine shows CPU meter full, i'm getting glitches and popping but when i check task manager CPU is maxing out at 49% Strangeo_O
     
  3. b-righteous

    b-righteous Moderator Moderator

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    This was mentioned on the other page. Maschine seems to only use half the available cores for plugin processing. The smaller load you see on the other logical cores is other task like graphics etc. as well as other task running on your computer. Not sure if this is i7 specific or if it affects i5 too. This is not new to 2.2 though as it always worked this way.

    I think this also affects the perception that some of the projects that are now overloading had lot's of headroom left. More than likely it was about to tip over and 2.2 has something about it that is taking a little more resources in the neighborhood of 10-15%.
     
  4. subsonicwave

    subsonicwave NI Product Owner

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    I just switched my laptop into high performance mode and it plays just fine. So all good. Didn't realise it was in stable mode.
     
  5. trusampler

    trusampler NI Product Owner

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    Has NI commented on this one yet? This is definitely not a good thing. The updates Okay,but not worth 15% of my cpu
     
  6. mezzurias

    mezzurias NI Product Owner

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    Nothing yet. Maybe they think if they keep quiet it will go away.
     
  7. Jiloo

    Jiloo NI Product Owner

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    I don't think it's going to happen. I'll need to contact support about this. I know I get the same answer as someone above, but if lot's of people will report problems maybe some will hear that. But I really doubt that – but intend to write to support anyway.
     
  8. Jiloo

    Jiloo NI Product Owner

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    This is great way to work with arrangements and songs ready to play. This is what I usually do. Arrange in Maschine, then do final mix in Logic. And than create a new project with the same song for live performance.
    But sometimes I need to use more VSTs live. We just play sort of jam sessions so I like my patches to be tweakable as much as they can. But I found this is not a problem – just bypass the ones I don't use at the moment.
    As my Maschine works way better on my quad core Mac mini (despite the increase in CPU use no problems at all) I'm thinking about upgrading my laptop to 4 cores too.
     
  9. Mr36

    Mr36 NI Product Owner

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    Eventually, it will go away. Users will get bored of complaining and they will just get used to the increased load and "acclimatize" to it. Leaving NI to make Maschine even less efficient in the next version. [/cynicism]
     
  10. Jiloo

    Jiloo NI Product Owner

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    Sounds like a proper scenario. Unfortunately.
     
  11. SCARYMAN

    SCARYMAN Forum Member

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    After many hours running 2:2 on Mac the CPU is behaving very strangely...... On some projects fine on others maxing out for no apparent reason...... Some projects are using large amount of groups and plugins others aren't...... Can load the same project and sometimes ok..... Other times completely unplayable...... Have been disconnecting usb to Focusrite AI and seems to cure it very strange........ At first had no issues now it's completely random...... Hope NI are looking into this as very frustrating...... It seems for some on here it's rendering Maschine completely unusable...... Some feedback please NI.....
     
  12. b-righteous

    b-righteous Moderator Moderator

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    Good to hear,
    Sounds more like CPU throttling down due to heat etc. Which is more a general issue with modern CPU power save features.
     
  13. Spazoo

    Spazoo NI Product Owner

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    it's been more than two weeks since i've bitched about maschine. i'm trying to stay positive. normally i would have lots to say about this topic but i'll just leave it at this... @mezzurias i feel for ya. sorry to hear what you're going through and i hope things gets resolved soon. same goes for everyone else.
     
  14. dazeja

    dazeja NI Product Owner

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    Is there a way to stop this?
     
  15. b-righteous

    b-righteous Moderator Moderator

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    Well, that was me just guessing. If this is the case then it can be reduced or stopped completely using tweaks in bios and also power profiles if you are on PC. If you have a laptop or a Mac then things are usually locked down so your options are limited.
     
  16. alpert

    alpert NI Product Owner

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    Cleaning fans helps heating problem a lot. I used to clean my old desktops fan with vacuum cleaner and brushes.
    I dindn't attempt to open a laptop but when i took it to the service (for HDD replacemet), the guy showed me how dusty in it. (It was after 1.5 years of use. Well, but i smoke.. And have a cat. :) ) But it was enormous amount of dust i must say.
    Fans need to be cleaned regularly.
     
  17. ntula

    ntula NI Product Owner

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    if i use a mbp in my lap, it overheats to being hot to touch, and if i use it on a wood surface it gets warm.. ...now if i use it on the all metal roland pc stand, it runs fine and is never hot, or even warm to touch... in fact i built a metal tray stand for it at my workstation and it keeps the macbook pros i have from running too hot... if the heat cannot dissipate, it builds up. i also found bringing a small fan to bring air to the back of a mac pro helps as well to clear out the warm exhaust air as well as keeping the front grill dust free... but heat is not an issue on that one so much..
     
  18. Bertotti

    Bertotti NI Product Owner

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    Same here I usually leave it on some stand or support that keeps the bottom of the mac clear. Really helps the case to draw the heat away.
     
  19. ntula

    ntula NI Product Owner

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    i use the metal rack mount server shelves and trays...
     
  20. Bertotti

    Bertotti NI Product Owner

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    I have wonder how well it would work to set a laptop on one of the bacon griddle sheets. Aluminum with ridges so it would work as a heat sink and still let airflow underneath.
     
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