CPU usage differences in 2.2?

i picked up the ventilated industrial steel server trays on ebay, they have a few sizes: i picked up a 10 and 6 inch ones and mounted them together with the rack rail in the middle. i mounted the rack rails to 2 x 1 select high grade hardwood and then onto a rack shelf i built with hardwood 3/4 plywood - solid, no flimsy lamp tube and plastic feel. and no particle board that falls apart.. i used a 12 space rack, which can be adjusted to raise or lower the height, so i could mount mixers and synths under it and the rack is completely open with only the 2 x 1 hardwood on the sides so it as well gets complete ventilation and easy to access the cables and ports, as well as in the rack shelf. the whole thing is 4 feet tall. it is a standing station which i prefer... cost about 150 to build (rack rails, server shelves, wood, bolts and screws) and holds 16 - 24 rack spaces of gear + a laptop or 25 keyed synth on top with a place for an APC 40, 25 keyed synth or controller, or mk 1/2/studio.. so i can fit all that gear in 16 x 21 x 48 space.. very little floor space taken... optional i could put it on casters. it is heavy, about 200 pounds loaded... i like rack gear cos you can have a lot of it in a small area you can reach at arms distance... wish they made more of it and less desktop type as who has that amount of desktop space without having to move all over away from the moment...

 

I went back to 2.1.2 I personally rarely use Maschine in standalone mode, maybe when they can find a way to give users back their 15% cpu power I'll give them another shot. For now 2.1.2. will do

 

Not a heat issue....... Running I-Mac..... When Audio Interface is disconnected via usb then reconnected it plays fine, for a while then returns...... Has anyone else tried disconnecting their AI? If you are remember to turn monitors off even if volume is set to zero....... Would be interested to hear if this is the case with others.....

 

uuuugghh today i've been having a lot of problems with Maschine 2.2 performance....

keeps 'farting' and 'glitching' on me constantly and it seems like buffer increase don't do much. My setup's OSX10.8.5 MBP2011 2.7Ghz i7, 16gb ram so it shouldn't be an issue here....

 

My guess goes for dual core processor. You have i7 but it's still dual core.
I have quad core on MacMini and dual core on MBP – some tracks playing ok on mini are gliching on MBP.
Few instances of Rounds and I'm out of CPU power.

 

yeah seems like, cuz running sysctl hw.physicalcpu returns:

 

I have a MBP from the same line (early 2011) I think all of them were dual core.
And as i like 2.2 features I:
1) hope NI fix CPU usage ('couse it was much better in 2.1.2) or
2) I will invest into quad core processor.

The only solution for now is to bounce (or sample) some VST's to audio and bypass (not mute) VST.
There were solution for this on the forum – will bring it here if I find it.

 

Found it. It's for eriler software version, but if you'll get the idea you'll know what to do.
Credit's goes to Flux302.

 

I have been using it via the built in headphone jack or with a thunderbolt to firewire AI and i saw the same 10-15% increase when mainly using reaktor ins in m2.2. It seems to be better with new project created with 2.2. I do know that usb does use the cpu more to handle the data and manage the bus over thunderbolt or firewire, which have a processing chp for that on the device and in the mac, but that is not that much and no longer significant to todays computers ... unless it is already on the edge of overloading.

under 10.7 hosted m2.2 runs fine and no significant glitchfest cpu increase... shame on me for getting superior performance on an unsupported legacy system and xeon mac pro,... which may be the key as this may as said be an issue with core audio and I series processors, as I notice it glitches when the cpu still is not over.

round and polyplex take a lot of cpu.. I bounce the and freeze always. In m2 standalone I just record or drag it to a new sound. Hex core I7, which give xeon prrformance, in laptops are available now in some high end pc's laptops, hopefully the early 2015 mbp will have one... but that is doubtful as it would require a thicker case and more ventilation.. so us mac users may have to go to the dark side and get windows laptops or xeon mac pros to use the new ni software... . as that is what u need now.. or a 3.5+ ghz i7... the solution is simple. Ni needs to create a digigrid/UA type box to procees the effects and instruments.

If it works, why drop support over a beta system that does not.. lol

 

I keep seeing Reaktor mentioned. I wonder if the higher load is just on internal or NI plugins. Anyone do a direct compare between 2.1 and 2.2 using only external plugins and samples?

 

That's good point. I'll try to run some test during weekend.

 

Really funny that you asked this.Last night, I was trying to put together a live set and I didn't want to have a bunch of plugins running at a live set because it's difficult to control them, so I purposefully only used Maschine's Kits and Sounds and Some of Massive's Sounds. I have 16 groups going and my cpu meter isn't budging a bit.Which is unusual for me. I was running two groups of Massive Instruments and 14 groups with Maschnie/expansion Kits and Instruments. It ran smoothly for 5 hours last night, no cpu spikes or anything like that. This morning I try to use Reaktor or Kontakt, and Bam,,, my cpu meter gets high,,, no spikes but I stop running it before it got that bad. I'm still testing others but I'm starting to believe my problem is with Reaktor and Kontakt plugins, of which I use a lot. It would suck if this is true but at least I would know the problem and try to rectify the problem later.

 

I creted a new project last night and it used only samples and external. Asvsoon as I added rounds, the cpu usage indicated mid level. Before that it was barely even present.. this was in 2.1... the power is out here today due to a storm.. glad I have a data tablet, but will try creating the same project in 2.2...

rounds and polyplex just came out... wonder if this is as well an issue with those being like kore was and having too high a demand on most laptop cpu's

 

I wish Rounds wouldn't be a Reactor synth. I really like it.
Looks like stand alone VSTs like Massive or FM8 are running using much less CPU power.

 

I was a little disappointed in that, there should be a vst version that simply uses a reaktor guiless engine

 

Some 2011 i7 mbp's are quad core, mine is. Not sure if they changed mid year or anything or if it depended on what size mbp it is though. Thought it was worth mentioning. It doesn't help with your problem with maschine, but it makes me feel better

 

My bad. There are some quad cores in early 2011 batch too (17")
But 2.7 i7 is definitely early 2011 model and it's dual core

 

One more 3 cents from me. Didn't have time to go back to 2.1.2 but run Maschine with some NI plugins and notice some things.
Just for the record test were run on 2011 MBP 2.3 i5 dual core 8GB ram.

I run a Reaktor with Rounds. Reactor meter shows around 40% CPU usage. Then I duplicate the instances. I can run 3 Rounds and it's ok. Lot of sweat but it runs. When I add another instance the glitches started.
Funny story – because next thing I did was running Rounds in Logic X. Guess what? Reaktor meter shows „only” 25% CPU usage. I can run 6 instances and have no problem. It's a shame that NI cannot optimise Maschine to run it's own plugin.

Next thing I did I run some instances of Massive (chose it because it's independent from Reaktor). I just run 16 (!) instances, just the whole group of Massives and get less CPU usage than from one instance of Rounds.

Conclusions? I'm not a heavy Reaktor user. Just got Razor two months ago and Komplete lately. I don't have experience with Reaktor which seams to be CPU consuming so I'm not the best test subject. What I know now is that Reaktor is very CPU hungry and I need to change my habits if I want to work with it.
Just need to mention that on my mac mini, quad core i7, everything works much smoother.

If I have some free time during weekend I'll try to install 2.1.2 and try to notice if there are some CPU usage differences between 2.1.2 and 2.2. But as I said – 16 instances of Massive is no problem for my laptop so I don't know if I can really feel the difference.

 

Interesting. Though it may not be a fair comparison with Logic. Logic uses this buffering trick and runs everything at 1024 (or is it even higher) buffers unless the track is armed and monitored. This is regardless of you sound card settings. What buffer settings do you have set in Logic vs Maschine? Were the Logic tracks all armed at set for live input?

On top of that, Maschine won't use all cores for plugin processing, at least on an i7 as I mentioned earlier. For an i7 that means that the plugin processing will essentially not take advantage of hyper threading so most DAW's will do a better job of load balancing plugins than Maschine. This needs to be looked into imo. but the behavior is not new to 2.2

 

Komplete Audio 1 interface 128 buffer size for both apps.
Don't know the second part of the question – need to understand it first - will read about it.