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Creating a Liveset with Maschine?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by middleWave, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. middleWave

    middleWave NI Product Owner

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    i'm a new owner of the MK3 and aspiring towards a liveset, but i'm not sure how to approach this.

    sure, i've seen people performing individual songs with finger drumming (usualy hip hop), but not extended livesets (techno, house, etc) as people do with ableton. so how would you go about this?

    i guess the best solution would be to consolidate all songs into one master project, dedicate each group to a particular set of sounds (or would you dedicate each group to a song?) and just cycle through those sounds. looking into the Jam to see if that might make things easier.

    any thoughts or experience on using maschine for a full extneded live set?

    thanks!
     
  2. Kaldosh

    Kaldosh Well-Known Member

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    I think your approach is the right one.
    Adding that each group containing your sound sets can have their macros mapped to effects for your performance.
    A nice way to do this is to have a group containing all your desired performance effects and use them as sends to optimize CPU performance .
    Possibilities are endless, but I would do so to perform live
     
  3. middleWave

    middleWave NI Product Owner

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    yeah that's what i was thinking.

    what exactly do you mean by this?
     
  4. Christophe Tessa

    Christophe Tessa NI Product Owner

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    the ideal setup is with JAM & Maschine (JAM for launch pattern and Maschine for mute,solo,macro,fx etc ...)
     
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  5. middleWave

    middleWave NI Product Owner

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    yeah i'm definitely looking at the Jam. it looks dope but seems redundant in a lot of ways. i'm wondering if i could accomplish much the same thing with the Launch Control XL? not for launching clips, but for having physicaly sliders and knobs. i guess you could program it launch clips but that can be done on my mk3 as well.
     
  6. AureVoir

    AureVoir NI Product Owner

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    Each has its on benefits.
    If you dedicate each groupd to a set of sounds you can meld between two or more songs easier, but there will be less consistancy and varition between the songs.
    if you dedicate each group to a song, you get more consistant songs, with many more variation but transitions may be harder.
    this is going to be detrmined by the type of performance, genre of music, and the audience
     
  7. hoserjose

    hoserjose NI Product Owner

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    Wont that mean that all your songs are tied to the same tempo then?
     
  8. AureVoir

    AureVoir NI Product Owner

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    if its trully a live performance tempos can be adjusted on the fly. thats a matter of workflow. Performing live has nothing to do really with pressing the play button and more to do with making performance kits that are meant ot be played live.
     
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  9. middleWave

    middleWave NI Product Owner

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    yeah that would be ideal for a smooth flowing liveset.

    i'll be playing at 85/170 btw. techno influenced DNB.
     
  10. bilposey

    bilposey NI Product Owner

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    I had 3 maschine jams
    Something about it I just can't give up on
    No room for both on my tiny desk
     
  11. middleWave

    middleWave NI Product Owner

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    what is it that you find the most useful about the jam? do you use it in conjunction with a regular maschine?
     
  12. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    He means creating a Group with no Sounds/Samples but only FX loaded in each Pad, this way you can use a more traditional Send-FX AUX approach by sending your Pads to those FX Pads.

    This has many advantages as for example retaining the FX tail after your turn the send value down and also saves a lot of CPU because you avoid a bunch of inserts of repeated FX that you might often use. Video here.
     
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  13. Kaldosh

    Kaldosh Well-Known Member

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    That's it! Thanks D!... Sorry could not reply earlier I am in the middle of a removal... Exhausting as usual.. :oops:
     
  14. AmeGarin

    AmeGarin NI Product Owner

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    My approach is different. I intend to use a sampler like the digitech jamman looper to switch between projects, with narrations from friends, something more conceptual. I do not do sampling or fingerdrumming, just looping with synthesizers, basically from reaktor. I'm also going to sing a song, and in each project I have a couple of drum kits and in each group a couple of sounds. I like to work with groups instead of having 16 sounds in a group, it is much easier for me and more immediate to access the groups than the sounds of each group. I do not know if it's the right address, but I find that for me, for what I want to do, a synthwave and electronic show in plan boards of canada I think it's useful for me.
     
  15. Tarekith

    Tarekith NI Product Owner

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    I use Maschine to play live sets sometimes, and I'm definitely not a finger drummer. Typically I make each Group it's own song so I can easily swtich between them during the set. Rather than type out all the specifics again, I hope you'll pardon me just linking to a full explanation of how I set up my Maschine sets:

    http://innerportalstudio.com/maschine-live-set-follow-up/
     
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  16. AmeGarin

    AmeGarin NI Product Owner

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    Good work!!
    My plan is different, because what I'm going to do is create live melodies, probably not take anything or almost anything recorded beforehand, just an empty project, with the scales prefixed in each sound. One thing that I think should be fixed is that every time you upload a project, the arpeggiator settings disappear. I work with maschine mk1, maschine jam (which seems to me an essential piece for the live set) and the komplete kontrol mk2.

    I have macros and effects ready, but there will be few midi notes prerecorded in my project, and that's the amazing thing, that you can improvise and never do the same song. I still have to work a little more on it, but I think I'm on the right track.
     
  17. Tarekith

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    Good luck!
     
  18. alessandro marziali

    alessandro marziali New Member

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    I'm trying to understand what may be an electronic liveset with maschine mk3 and maschine JAM (good work with the two stuff !!!). I'm wondering if the liveset may be only a sequence of on-off patterns creating songs and atmospheres or also a sort of ability using 16-pads playing beat of a songs with fingers together with patterns handled wih JAM.

    Best Regards.

    Alex.
     
  19. Mr36

    Mr36 NI Product Owner

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    It can be pretty much any combination you like:
    • Entirely pre-recorded/programmed Patterns all cued up and ready to go (the "Press Play" approach)
    • Pre-recorded/programmed Patterns and loops ready to launch/trigger at your will
    • Some pre-programmed material with (actually) live pad-playing and/or instrumentation (including vocals)
    • Entirely live-playing/recording/looping of Patterns and audio, starting only with instruments/kits and the necessary settings loaded
    • Blank slate start (audience might get bored waiting for you to choose presets and for them to load)
    • Combination of the above and/or any other approach you can think of

    I do option #3 with my band, vwls, and have done various "mixes" using option #4 as [gla klandy] (when they sometimes go better than others).
     
  20. AmeGarin

    AmeGarin NI Product Owner

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    As Mr36 says in the previous post, there are many ways to do it. For me, the best is the fourth point. I am not an expert nor do I have as much experience as many users here, but I know enough about maschine to prepare a pretty cool set in time.

    Here I leave a video of a project that I have posted today in the music forum made with maschine, it is a start and I will improve it a lot. Next week I will try to make another video with the same project explaining how I prepare all the groups / kits and how you can get a little more out of maschine. Next week I will post it in this thread. I am not an expert, nor do I have the baggage of many here, but after much thought I think that for me it is the best approach to create a live set with maschine. Meanwhile, you can see a video on my youtube channel with maschine if it is the approach you are looking for. I personally don't like to use loops or sampling, so I use vst sounds and maschine internals ... greetings !!!!

     
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