Cuepoints keeping mapping to hotcues after I play out?

Hi,

Whilst I may set any number of cue points, I typically only map the important ones to Hot Cues 1 to 3 (to allow for easy syncing to RekordBox). However twice recently, after I have played out, for every track I played during my set, every cue point has then become mapped to a hot cue (1 through 8)?? This doesn't happen at home, but only when I go out and play on different equipment - only thing I can think I might be doing differently during set up at the venue, is importing the relevant hardware mapping/audio device settings.

What's happening? This is obviously highly annoying having to go back and restore 40+ tracks to my usual cue point system.

I can't think it would make any difference, as it's on all the time, but my NI folder in documents syncs to DropBox. Guess when I come home, and reconnect up to wifi, it will sync all changes, but that shouldn't be more than just adding to the history folder - I don't tend to add new cue points when I'm out.

For reference, using latest MacBook Pro (Mountain Lion - 10.8.5, not Mavericks) and latest version of Traktor (2.6.4)

Thanks for any help

 

You can't store regular non-hot cue points unless you've used up the 8 hotcue slots.

 

What??? Most of my tracks have cue points that aren't stored as hot cues - I only map cue points to hot cues for jumping around the track, or in slip mode, beat juggling, and in most cases I never have more than 3 cue points (out of up 10 regular cue points) mapped to hot cues. You most definitely can have non-regular cue points, and no hot cues at all.

I've been using this system for ages, and only recently starting having the problem I describe above when I started playing out with Traktor.

 

How do you save your cue points then? I know you can have regular cue points in Rekordbox, but how does it work in Traktor for you?

 

It's a bit fiddly, but save a cue point as normal to a hot cue, then save another cue point in the same place (or anywhere). Then map this second cue point to the 1st one, and then delete the 2nd one. What you're left with is a cue point that isn't mapped to a hot cue. Great for load markers, visual markers, fade in and fade out markers - and you can have loads. Means you only need to keep hot cues for when you really need them, and if you use Rekordbox, where you only have 3 hot cues to play with (for CDJ2000 and CDJ2000 nexus), your traktor setup syncs perfectly.

Anyway, lesson over... Anyone got any suggestions why the aforementioned floating cue points have remapped to hot cues after I played a set out on 2 occasions recently, when they behave as normal at home??

 

Ok - so just worked out what's causing all my floating cue points to remap - it's all to do with the archive folder. Bizarre, but appears to the case.

To recap, when I started playing out recently, I used the archive to copy all the tracks played back into a separate playlist under a folder created for that night. However, when I copied the contents of that particular archive back into a newly created playlist, all my cue points that weren't mapped to hot cues were suddenly now stored as hot cues - it was if "Store" had been automatically pressed. When I'd copied in 40 odd tracks, this was obviously a massive pain to sort out.

I've recreated the issue, by just playing a couple of tracks, closing Traktor, going back into the archive and opening the tracks from that archive, and all cue points are now mapped. It even works, if I just open that archive, but don't load them from there, but load them from their original playlist. After un-mapping them from hot cues, closing Traktor, and going back into the same archive folder for a second time, they, however, stay as they were.

Only other time, I've had trouble with cues not mapped to hot cues, is when Traktor has crashed on exit and got stuck on flushing tasks, at which point, the cues all got stored, and had to be manually un-mapped again.

Either way, would welcome anyone else to try and recreate this, but the time being, I'm steering clear of the archive folder!

 

You can also create those by creating a grid marker (if you haven't set those to be hot cues in the preferences) and then turning the marker into a different type (fade, cue, etc...). I use these non-hotcue markers everywhere in my collection.

To add to Keith's observation, the problem also occurs when using the 'Store' button for cue points. If you have some non-hotcue markers on the track and press 'Store' to store a new hot cue, all markers will turn into hot cues.

 

The grid marker idea is massively less a pain than having to do 2 hot cues, then remap one to another and then delete the original, but I gues would only work if you haven't locked the beatgrid - fine during initial prepping of a track, but a few more clicks required to unlock the grid first. I've mapped the "map" key to the keyboard, and can then do all fairly quickly with keystrokes.

And yes, the problem also occurs when you press "store" - occasionally done by accident, when meant to click on map, or delete, and press store, and all of the cues instantly become hot cues.

 

Yeah that's true. I mapped the 'grid lock' to a key but I forgot about that.

 

I was directed here from a different thread (http://www.native-instruments.com/f...-as-playlist-file-tags-or-playlist-tags/page2)
It seems as though the weird workaround you are doing with your floating, not-quite-set hotcues, is causing some confusion in the Traktor Program. When you return from the club and re-open Traktor, because you added the floating hotcues whilst you were playing, Traktor is thinking they have been stored as real hotcues and not the 'floating' ones and thus re-stores them. I may need to lean on Karlos or another mod here for confirmation, but I would say that Traktor wasn't intended to be used in this way and therefore the programming isn't set up to deal with this situation.

From my understanding the hotcues in rekord box are completely unconnected with those in Traktor - You either use your CDJ's with music files on a laptop that have been scanned with Rekord box, or a usb containing files scanned with rekord box. Using both rekord box files and traktor together might be causing you some issues?

Would it not just be easier to set and store all he hot cues you need as you go and then simply delete them again before you unload the deck from the track. I can't imagine the hotcues set up in Traktor affecting the hotcues set up in Rekordbox as they are different programs? I havent tested this yet, so may be wrong.

 

Stored-cue points (as Native calls them) are completely supported. The manual also talks about them as opposed to hot-cues:

I think what we're seeing here is just bugs unless Native decided to drop support for them and didn't update the manual. Either way it's inconsistent at the moment.

They are (kind of) connected when you use a program like Rekord Buddy to sync your Traktor and Rekordbox collections. The benefit of using Stored Cue Points in Traktor is that those are mapped automatically to Memory Cues in Rekordbox and vice-versa.

Since CDJs only have 3 hot cues, it's important to make sure you only use the hot cues you really need and not just all your cues.

Hope this makes more sense

 

Thanks for clarification Damien.

I am guessing that KeithInc is using CDJ's in the club? As you say this doesn't happen at home could it be that the CDJ's in the club are using a newer or older firmware and causing this anomaly?