Damn you Native Instruments!

that guy does a very impressive range of videos.. no matter what the synth.. he completely sold me on the MS2000 which was my first VA.. such a delight to program and explore with.

I can strongly recommend to anyone wanting to learn synthesis to get their hands on a good used VA synth.. you wont lose a penny on it, and learn a hell of a lot... Virus A, Nova, MS2000, ION can all be had for $400.

..and all be sold for $400 in three months, a year, five years.. call it a free synth

 

Not all use can afford to collect antiques, we dont have the money or space, Komplete is our gem. Mayb in the future I will get a hardware synth, bc there is no denying the solid analog sound is much better vs digitally formulated sound, but komplete is a great set of software, I can't really think of anything else I d want to buy in softsynth department other that Komplete.. other soft synths you justhave to.. ya know..crack *ahem* it.

I think buying for now would be worth and then 9 upgrade would a nice price, if i feel like its worth getting

 

I have both plenty of hardware and plenty of software and while I love software... Anyone claiming that they can't achieve similar sound and in some regards even surpass the hardware sound with the software in komplete 8 is either drinking far to much of the kool aid or just simply isn't skilled in using what gear they have. Sure there can be a difference in sound just as there is a difference in sound from soft synth to soft synth but I have to say I can stack my soft synths up against analog and digital hardware synths and bet money with a blind test I can fool you as to which is which.
Sure there is room to be an elitist and claim what I say isn't true but at the end of the day, the real reason I still by hardware synths is because I'm a gear fiend. Not because it sounds sooooo much better. (in many ways I buy certain keyboards because they sound worse and I love how filthy they can be ) .
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Oh wow and I just read your statement about the microkorg vs massive. You just lost all respect with me on that one that made no sense. Sorry that post is a fail. I love my hardware synths and my soft synths but that is one statment I would never dream of making lol.

Somehow I'm betting that's not really your opinion and your either trying to troll or just play devils advocate because your points are so far off base.
Btw ive had that same juno for years (actually I had 2 at one point) and while it's a good fun analog synth that has definetly earned its place. I got rid of it after being able to emulate it so closely not just with dedicated soft synths but there are even free reaktor emulations of it that not obt sound very similar to it but actually improve on its design... So u lost me on that one too.

Shoulda mentioned a really character filled analog synth like an andromeda, or an oberheim sem something that really stands out.

I love my hardware synths but I love em for different reasons ... Not being able to emulate the sound isn't really one of em. (though in some cases emulatin that exact sound would take alot of work, but to say it can't be achieved is silly)

 

I did not and am not claiming that parts of Komplete aren't useful. I would hope they are! However, cars are useful too, but if I don't need one, wouldn't benefit that much from having one, can get everwhere I want to go with the means already available to me, I'm not even going to spend $199 on one. Even if it is Deal of the Century. That's all my point is. If you don't want or need it, it's false economy.

All of your otehr points in this thread, I wholeheartedly agree with though. And the other chap's points about hardware vs software are not a little bogus.

 

@mr36 I guess I agree but not 100% I see the point of the post (maybe I missed it) your saying essentially saying hey of you don't want it dot buy it. Right? Well I would think that is obvious lol. However the car analogy I think is a bit off but that's fine. I'm simply saying that I see komplete as having useful ness far beyond what maschine by itself provides and adds abilities that are worth far more than the asking price hence it bein a great deal. But not saying if you for buy it I will kill you. Lol I make no money off how much komplete sells. Simply helping inform those like me who would benefit from the thousands of features komplete 8 will add to your maschine expirience .

 

I think most here can agree that those of us who own Maschine and do not own many soft/hard synths would definitely be getting a good bang for our buck crossgrading to Komplete at this discounted price. If you already own several of the NI soft synths or several hardware synths then the NI crossgrade discount offer becomes less of a deal.

Even if you can buy one of those hardware synths purchased for half that's still about the same price of Komplete. Whether the hardware sounds a bit better or not, the amount of options available are not going to be as many as Komplete. Of course not everyone will want/need as many options as Komplete offers you, but for those who can make use of even half of what Komplete has, that is still quite a bit.

I mean they do call it Komplete, right?

 

@flux302 I think I just took exception a little to your sensationalist comments of if you don't buy it you're insane or a fool. And it's equally obvious that if someone wants/needs this product (and can afford it), they should buy it. Yet that's okay to point out.
Believe me, I wasn't trying to "troll" or start anything, just offering an opposed opinion that just because it is a really good deal, it doesn't mean everyone should or needs to jump on it. For one reason, many people struggle even more to be creative when they have too many tools at their disposal.

And the car analogy was bang on for the point I was making, thank you very much.

 

as usual you have nothing to say... just a silly emoticon to show your ignorance.
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what are those?
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what hardware do you own? and where can i listen to your music?

 

You can check out some of my work on bandcamp at http://flux302.bandcamp.com/album/via-flux-the-album
Which is a more raw hip hop album I did a while back, of course I am alsow on soundcloud.com (just search flux302) where I tend to just throw up random ideas.
As for my gear list im not really in the mood to break my fingers typing that out. Why do you ask I wonder? Is there a particular piece of hardware you would like a comment on? Also you can feel free to view me on YouTube @ flux302




@mr36 I wasn't implying that you were trolling that was aimed at who stated that a moog (realistic mg-1) can smash any of the synths in komplete which is just silly (sure it has the moog components but fact is it was also terribly noisy and fairly thin by moog standards and certainly not a feature filled synth. Not to say it doesn't get love from me, just that to say it smashes some of the absolute top soft synths is kinda an overstatement)
I also don't mean that anyone is literally in sane or a complete fool but fact is I know a few people who look at the deal with skeptical eyes and Thays who I was referring to.
Sorry in responding from my iPhone and its a pain.
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I'll see if I can post up some audio comparisons later of a few synths both hard and soft and let you try to blindly decide which you think is hardware and whih is software. (and that's not even getting into the obvious things such as more features, easier implementation and sync etc) please don't get it twisted. I love hardware. LOVE analog synths and crusty digital synths ... But I do so in a realistic way recognizing why I love em.

 

lmao

 

You know I feel bad now, I should clarify. Look everyone has a right to their own opinion. Maybe your really do feel that way about a microkorg ... But I gotta ask. Can u list and reason as to why? I mean sure I love using it for a stage performance , an in the studio it's nice to be able to quickly turn it on and it has a nice usable sound (though I much prefer the ms2000b as I prefer creating my own sounds from scratch. Still waiting to get a nice rack mount b on the cheap (under 300)) but please go into detail as to why you feel the way you do and how your having trouble recreating those sounds from soft synths. Sure I tend to sed most soft synths through a couple plugs (and sometimes out to the physical world then back in to the box ) but realistically with just what is included in k8 (guitar rig is excellent way to add warmth to you synths) should be able to do it.

But hey maybe I'm missing your point. Please enlighten me on which hardware synth for $200 can match up...

 

@flux302.. you do know that technically all ms2000 are the same so the b just means black paint right?..

just sold my ms2000R and was sad to see it go.. the 3 ch step/mod sequencer is the bomb...a twiddlers delight..

my thread point as that practically speaking, I really do no think anyone needs the number of instruments or presets offered by Komplete... way way beyond anything necessary to make great music... and it does take time to master any instrument, so i certainly do not need Komplete.....but at $199.50...aaargh.. could not resist!..

 

I always refer to the ms2000 with the b at te end it's just a force of habit. Though I do recall there beig a firmware change to te lfo set up on that thing from the original release but honestly it's been so long I'm not gonna swear by that. Either way. I still love all the knobs and the schematic layout on it ... It's Lil things like that about hardware that I love. But then again I'm overly geeky when it comes to gear, hence why I like to build my own synths.

 

I'm TRYING to crossgrade to Komplete 8 but no matter what I do, the "buy" button is taking me back to the "splash" page.
Is anyone else finding it frustrating to buy?
Perhaps they have sold out?

 

WTF? lmao Did you get called out for saying something silly and now you feel sore about it or something?

 

are you stuck on the buy page or the checkout page ?

i just clicked on buy to see what happened (waiting to get paid till i can buy it) and i was able to get as far as the checkout page where you complete the transaction on both komplete 8 and komplete 8 ultimate but obviously couldn't go any further as i have no funds.
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Inorite? :lol: Hamburgler seems to be one of those delusional hardware fanboys that can't quite grasp the reality that software has long since surpassed standalone hardware in terms of sonic capability.

 

once had a juno-60 and a roland sh-2, plus some vintage tube amps. ugh. never again... they are a PITA, as is just about any technology that is 40 years old. They stink, they break, they go out of tune after 20 minutes, they are power hungry monsters, they run super hot, they require maintenance, they are _fragile_. sure, it sounds nice and you get that instant gratification, but man i can dial in some great sounds on a soft synth. once it is in the mix who cares what device it was from.

i freakin loved those synths, but my passion for the sound was outweighed heavily by the practicality. that is called reality. don't listen to people who are all OMG analog. they are clinging onto nostalgia. komplete is an amazing suite, buy it!

some interviews with producers recently - when asked about their fave bits of gear - it is usually something like an ipad or an op-1 cos of the practicality of the thing. yes, we live in the future now

 

yeah you're right we live in the future now.
cds sound better than vinyl……
ipads and the op-1 sound better than junos

all we need is this future is timestretching


@flux - flux I was just being cynical about the mikrokorg although I do love it, there are many plugs that can outshine it but it does capture a little of that old korg essence

on the other synths I'm dead serious, there is no softsynth that can sound like a juno-6, rs-09, or the radioshack moog even, and I don't know how good you are at programming so I don't know if I could tell the difference in one of your mixes or not, but that is totally missing the point. from sitting in front of one of the two juno -6's you've owned you can tell the difference right away.

it has nothing to do with elitism you guys throw that word around like skittles on this forum and I think you can do better. it has to do with the fact that soft synths have brought the price down on real instruments considerably and that is just the opposite of elitism. I'm going to get a 106 today for $300 if somebody doesn't beat me to it, and even though I own komplete 8 , the 106 is an incredible instrument well worth the $300 and would be well used for good reason.

 

that's true, maybe i was a bit harsh, cos there is something amazing that happens when you press a key on an amazing analog bass synth and get goosebumps. damn thats a nice price for a 106, for sure.