DAW with the DEEPEST Maschine Integration

The only good answer is The Maschine software itself
However I do understand that some might not see this as a full DAW
Even I do still think that Maschine itself couldn't be classified as A Full DAW Because of missing functionality

 

It certainly hasn't got the deepest integration, but I do believe MuLab is feeling a tad ignored here........

 

I totally agree with you because it defenetly can be done but there's another possibility so why not use everything you can to finish what you started. I agree I love to make music so much, I started on PS1 after that PC than first keyboard then I sell it because It didn't fit in my workflow but I bought M-aufio midi man than code and man it's worse expirense in my life and so far mouse, Nektar P1 and Maschine mk3 changed my life. It is full DAW but any other DAW and mouse you can do and you can do and se visual feedback...to say a simple things are a lot easier but the features that are actually most important are tight integrated in software and hardware. Software can record audio eq is ok if you need more just put two of them but lots of folks and younger generations don't know about simplicity and creativity will teach them over time. I am happy with Maschine mk3 I would like better encoders buy hey I will find a way. DAW is a lot more than music tool and that's why Maschine is a Music DAW yes but it is just that with very robust workflow wich can be a very good thing but for me is OK , Maschine came to me after all other VST's MIDI and all DAW's

 

Probably everything is possible but in some cases you need to click 10 times more in other less and that's it...it definitely won't work in caustic

 

Fun poll, I totally overlooked this so far!
(edit: in other words.. I completely forgot that I had already commented on it )


However... my vote still went to Ableton Live but I took the liberty of being a little "creative" with the definition of integration

See, when I want to play with Maschine I don't even have to touch my computer, other than to start Live (obviously). Once I have powered up Live I simply hop behind my Push and from there load up Maschine. Then I hop over to my Maschine controller and can do the rest from there. I also think the Live control script for Maschine can score some extra points here (this makes the Maschine display some basic characteristics for your first tracks in Live and also allows Maschine to control some basic parts of Live up to a point).

I really came to appreciate the concept that I can use both my controllers without the need to even come close to my keyboard and mouse. I can do everything using these two... once I have Maschine loaded there's nothing stopping me from using Push to work on other tracks (for example).

 

me to but little differently, I play everything with Maschine mk3 and if I decide to finish in Cubase I use Nektar P1 and I don't touch mouse, almost mirrored P1 I pres FX and I choose plugin with encoder than I also control instruments but I already did that with Maschine so I do mixing with just one controll surface also when I practice playing live P1 I extra 200 parameters wich I don't use but sometimes I control extra chanel or couple of them without need to focus on the specific tracks. I'm glad that everyone has find golden middle and Maschine is in the center.

 

During last year's lockdown I played around with scripting for Bitwig and failed miserably. But I could convince Moss that colored pads ARE possible with Maschine . So at least I contributed to his very deep integration for Bitwig, I can't imagine there's a script with more functions for another DAW. Even with visual feedback on the Mk2/Mk3/M+ displays by making use of the Mackie Control mode:


And then there is this strange new Mk3/M+ integration by the developers which they kind of dropped without a lot of PR and explanation (since Bitwig 3.3.4):


I never really tried these scripts, my update plan for Bitwig isn't active anymore. But this thread made me install the trial and play around with both solutions.

The Bitwig devs used the same trick with MCU mode for the displays (with less colors, though). This script is quite lean, an interesting element is that you have to touch the 4d encoder to read the values for device parameters in device mode or see the functions of the buttons above the displays in the other modes. And somehow the shift button works in both scrips, I was convinced this isn't possible.

DrivenByMoss offers a LOT (chord mode, note editing, using the touch script for live FX...) But it's also complex to learn.

Is someone else using one of these scripts? There's also a new script for the Jam by Moss. And all of it works nicely with the trial version of Bitwig.

 

I had a habit to try every new music tool DAW' specialy and this Bitwig is so open to anything and anyone, any Artist who knows what he really wants and you can or you have to prepare your workflow and Bitwig is open to any midi device but at the same time they made maps just to show what is possible so on my Nektar P1 surface control they made a sequencer and clips and scenes wich turned P1 to much more but I'm using Maschine almost 3 years so I admit I feel in love with Maschine and only if they made a better quality over all hardware it would be to much for reality but I tryed the + PLUS version and it is much much better quality and the whole ide of independent from OS and Win 10 they made a progress. Only thing in my music life I hate are windows and "Finder" . But back to you I was very happy when I played Bitwig and Maschine at the same time in sync mode I didn't need my Nektar P1 it was Maschine mk3 only but again they done fantastic job with Nektar, mixer,FX, instruments and scenes and pattern section plus a sequencer with variable grid and grid resolution

 

my point is that if Nektar have Nektarine and with P1 they did impossible NI can too but I assume that they saw that we don't use integration mode and in my opinion Maschine is best alone than it is easy to export or even finish everything in Maschine they need to make it just a little more flexible arranger and if they can make screens more useful like on PUSH but if they can't it's OK it is like if I make a good track and I decide not to finish it because I play games too and have a job so it's having a hook and who cares in the club is it has automation on drop or I will do it live but I also don't care for release, let the DJ do something hahahaha . Useful screens maybe yes but maybe NO

 

Cubase, because *I* do the deepest integration. (Many thanks to D-One on that integration.)

No, but seriously it looks like Live or Logic earn that position. It would be nice to have more integration between cubase and machine, but right now I can make it all work quickly and easily, I've made my templates and configurations, and I'm good. Additional officially supported integration would always be welcomed.

 

You mean both Maschine standalone and Bitwig side by side? That's what I do and like best. Maschine software and Bitwig (or Ableton) synced via Ableton link and some audio and MIDI routing beween the apps. Then I have the deepest Integration of the Maschine hardware on one hand and a full and customizable DAW on the other hand.

 

for me it was very interesting concept, I could do everything in Maschine but this feature added a maybe another person or something else that I can program with Bitwig and it's crazy modular capabilities and low CPU DAW. I played with Ableton but for me it's all about music and I already tend to overcomplicate simple things like good House track, I always want to do something new and that's crazy sounds to futuristic for House and perfect for PSY music. Looking for simple solutions with some original elements like I really like to build my sounds from scratch. The future is in a new sounds and I hope for some surprise, I hope for something crazy new, maybe new ritmical patterns...who knows, but for live act i must buy Maschine+ , it's better quality build and I don't like to relay on Windows and Finders and I really like to make music with Maschine mk3 so + is next.

 

Jul
This is what I am trying to do I.e.both standalone and side by side.
Can you explain in more detail please? Would really help if you could.
Cheers
Rusty

 

Sure, I'll try to explain my setup. Just ask if something's not clear. First you need a solution for virtual audio and MIDI routing. I'm on Windows and have an RME audio interface, so I use loopMIDI for MIDI and RME's TotalMix software for audio loopbacks. On Mac audio routing seems to be easier than on Windows if you don't have an audio interface that can do this for you. But ODeus ASIO Link Pro should work on Windows, although it is a bit complicated.
Then you make a template for Maschine where you select the virtual MIDI loopbacks (when you want to use the virtual instruments in Bitwig) or audio loopbacks (when you use instruments/samples/FX in Maschine) as the outputs of pads - or for audio also on the group level.
In Bitwig you create a similar template project and select these loopbacks as inputs to tracks. You could of course do it the other way around, also - send from Bitwig to Maschine, then you could for example use your Maschine hardware as a mixer and Multi FX for every sound.

Then activate Ableton Link in both DAWs and you should be ready to go. Bitwig not only supports tempo sync but also Start/Stop synchronization but I think Maschine does not. So you need to start/stop both of the apps.
I do Maschine --> Bitwig for my live looping setup, here's a video showing it a bit:

 

Thank you Jul, most kind.
I shall have a go and let you know how I get on.
Cheers
Rusty

 

If you are like me, and mainly wanted to integrate the Maschine drum kits into your DAW (since most of the instruments can be played via Komplete Kontrol), then you may want to check out an app I worked on called Kit Maker. It lets you convert Maschine drum kits into presets for several DAWs including Ableton and MPC, Beatmaker etc.

www.kit-maker.com

 

What is it with these companies that think it is a good idea to not show the price until you hit a buy now button? Seriously...where's the benefit for anyone?

 

Sorry, I don’t understand the complaint. Our product page on Gumroad clearly says the price along with the product info.
We also have a Wordpress site with more info (which is what I linked to), which has a link to the product page where you can add to cart. Our link to the product page says “buy now”, but I guess it could have been written as “product page” or some other phrasing, but we’ve never had complaints about that before.

We are a small company of two people and don’t have the means to host the e-commerce on our own website, otherwise the product page would be directly on our own website.

But in terms of having to click once for the price, lots of software websites have information on the main page, then you click once more for the product details and see the price. Same with the Native Instruments website for example.

 

Sorry if I seem overly tetchy. I clicked on your link and there's no pricing information there at all until you click buy now. I think if it was marked as a click through to product page, it would make it clearer that that was not the main site.
As you say, this is far from the only site to do this, but It gets a bit wearing to have to click through to see a price. For most people price is a pretty big arbiter in their decision-making, and so one of the first things they want to see.
Good luck with the venture, though.

 

I really can't see a reason why NI hasn't created an official default template that you drag into Ableton, or any of the top 10 Daws, and then button in the Maschine software, with a preference setting to select your DAW. This in 2022 should be as simple as droppiing the template in your DAW and clicking a button to set up the corresponding defaults. Music creaters/ producers/ hobbiest are notorius for collectiing gear, so why not make it easier for us? You integrate the gear, we collect the gear.

This youtuber Moneypizzle has a link to his template for Ableton.